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PingBad Post Whore

Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Posts: 3027 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: May 08, 2005 10:34pm Post subject: DCC Blocking mode |
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probably not the best place to put this, but its a suggestion nonetheless
A good mode for IRC would be a usermode (or even a chanmode) that prevents DCCs being sent or received by any nicks with this mode.
Make things a hell of a lot safer in terms of virus transmission, exploits, etc |
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angelic Lurker

Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Posts: 148
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Posted: May 09, 2005 1:15am Post subject: |
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What next? A module that stops certain nicks from posting URL's?
I haven't received an unsolicited DCC for years, and anyway i don't think this is the best way forward.
Educate your users, tell them the dangers of accepting unsolicted DCC and clicking on links from people they don't know and/or trust.
A network i frequent has decided to make a module that allows them to log all DCC sends so they can look for patterns. This drives me insane and when it's put into place i'll leave the network. Give your users some credit for goodness sake. |
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zeke Idler

Joined: 04 Oct 2003 Posts: 334
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Posted: May 09, 2005 1:28am Post subject: |
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actually i don't think its all that bad.....if you set it on connect, but don't prevent it being unset, it should be fine. You're always going to have the 14m3 n00bz who click every attachment on their email, despite thousands of lectures about how easy it is to get virii. most of the people who should be dcc'ing (imo, at least) should know enough to be able to unset the mode as they need to.
but then, at the same time, i realise this is controversial. some people want total safety for their users, and others want users to have to be entirely responsible for their actions...tbh i think THAT is a debate noone will win in a hurry.... |
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Dr-Voodo Eleet

Joined: 07 Nov 2003 Posts: 535 Location: IRC
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Posted: May 09, 2005 1:52am Post subject: |
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| There is still a function called /dccallow +nickname , and you also got /dcc ignore on/off which works good. The problem would of course be to let the users know that and some users even has it that they accept all DCC's but with teaching the users how to use the commands then we might solve the problem. I am a aop on #Help Dalnet so I help users with those questions everyday. |
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PingBad Post Whore

Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Posts: 3027 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: May 09, 2005 5:11am Post subject: |
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| Dr-Voodo wrote: | | There is still a function called /dccallow +nickname , and you also got /dcc ignore on/off which works good. The problem would of course be to let the users know that and some users even has it that they accept all DCC's but with teaching the users how to use the commands then we might solve the problem. I am a aop on #Help Dalnet so I help users with those questions everyday. | Good point, Dr-Voodoo, but what proportion of the general IRC population know about these commands? Letalone use them? |
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Dr-Voodo Eleet

Joined: 07 Nov 2003 Posts: 535 Location: IRC
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Posted: May 09, 2005 5:30am Post subject: |
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Not everyone knows the commands or even use them, perhaps the right way would be to either have a help line given to them on connect. But also if I am not mistaken I think the DCC Ignore is on when you connect + many file types is ignored on auto so unless they actually use automatically get DCC then they won't get anything.
Cause they have to accept the file and most people probably know they should not accept from people they can't trust. |
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PingBad Post Whore

Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Posts: 3027 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: May 09, 2005 5:40am Post subject: |
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It has been said time and again... get files from friends you trust, but what's to say those friends haven't done sumpin stupid and gotten a virus themselves, rendering such advice useless and obsolete?
You can educate the users as much as you want (or at least attempt to, but at the end of the day, its up to the user who decides to follow such education)
In a way, users depend on the operators of networks to give some level of safety and this mode would be one added barrier of protection. All things considered, it would be for the better of our users. IRC has a tarnished image, and shouldn't we do what we can to help give that image a new glean? |
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Dr-Voodo Eleet

Joined: 07 Nov 2003 Posts: 535 Location: IRC
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Posted: May 09, 2005 5:48am Post subject: |
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Well it would be better if IRC then had a inbuild virus scan or something like that, you know like Hotmail does when it comes to reciveing files from others.
True you may educate people as much as you want, and its true friends may be infected and I agree with you that we should do our best to give the image a new glean.
So perhaps the idea would to get a inbuild virus scanner which scans the file before you recieve them. |
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PingBad Post Whore

Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Posts: 3027 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: May 09, 2005 5:51am Post subject: |
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| Dr-Voodo wrote: | Well it would be better if IRC then had a inbuild virus scan or something like that, you know like Hotmail does when it comes to reciveing files from others.
True you may educate people as much as you want, and its true friends may be infected and I agree with you that we should do our best to give the image a new glean.
So perhaps the idea would to get a inbuild virus scanner which scans the file before you recieve them. | true, but at the expense of the IRC server's sometimes limited resources |
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Dr-Voodo Eleet

Joined: 07 Nov 2003 Posts: 535 Location: IRC
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Posted: May 09, 2005 5:52am Post subject: |
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Good point, you know I agree with you , I think your idea is great. I am just trying to come up with other things that can be done  |
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PingBad Post Whore

Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Posts: 3027 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: May 09, 2005 7:23am Post subject: |
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as far as implementation and scalability go, it is no different than CTCP blocking (Unreal's usermode +T) -- just as scalable, and just as easy to filter
CTCP Ping:
| Code: | | ^1CTCP PING 145695^1 |
DCC Transfer:
| Code: | | ^1DCC SEND file.ext filesize^1 |
/*edit*/
should note: these are sent via PRIVMSG |
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apocalyptic none

Joined: 25 Jun 2005 Posts: 3
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Posted: Sep 26, 2005 3:06am Post subject: |
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| Открылся бесплатный хостинг на американской площадке: www.no.spam.please.your.wasting.your.time.keep.spamming.here.thanks |
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w00t Eleet

Joined: 09 Jun 2004 Posts: 698 Location: Nowra, Australia
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Posted: Sep 26, 2005 6:26am Post subject: |
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| PingBad wrote: | | Good point, Dr-Voodoo, but what proportion of the general IRC population know about these commands? Letalone use them? |
So instead, you propose to create a USERMODE that nobody will use, that does the same thing.. Rather than educating people about what's already there? |
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