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Matthewl
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 Posted: May 31, 2003 4:49am Post subject: what I believe |
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| IRC Will never die! There will be hardships with the big networks and the small network that work hard will grow to a medium size network and alot of small networks will not make it! As long as the are curious new users there will be IRC. |
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Xavier_Hawthore
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Joined: 10 Jun 2003
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Location: Texas
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| Posted: Jun 16, 2003 5:13am Post subject: Re: what I believe |
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| Matthewl wrote: | | IRC Will never die! There will be hardships with the big networks and the small network that work hard will grow to a medium size network and alot of small networks will not make it! As long as the are curious new users there will be IRC. |
In a sense i agree, but for small networks.. I think they will have a more "success" rate.. yes, they are small but small networks is where you can actually have a desent chat.. without the Warez BS, virii, Users getting your IP address... etc |
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U
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| Posted: Jun 18, 2003 2:59pm Post subject: |
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Small networks will survive as long as the people operating them can afford them. The problem with DDos and stuff like that is some shell companies either decide its not worth hosting IRCd, or they raise the rates as to which it costs to run one.
I know for myself my network costs (just for myself) have gone up $35 a month over the past year. What used to cost me $90 to run 6 servers on seperate providers now costs $125 with no increase in allowances (local users, bandwith, etc). But its either I pay it, or I reduce the number of servers I have-but being the founder of the network I feel I need to step up and provide a solid base also.
Thank god domain prices have fallen or I'd really be up a creek, I remember when they used to be $30, now I can register .com, .net, and .org for the same fee 
Larger networks folding will help smaller networks, sure, but larger networks also keep most of the troublemakers away from the smaller networks. Its a tradeoff-sure, my network has more users now thanks to networks like DAL prohibiting file trades, but I also have a longer akill list. You have to take the good with the bad.
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Xavier_Hawthore
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| Posted: Jun 23, 2003 12:33pm Post subject: |
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| U wrote: | Small networks will survive as long as the people operating them can afford them. The problem with DDos and stuff like that is some shell companies either decide its not worth hosting IRCd, or they raise the rates as to which it costs to run one.
I know for myself my network costs (just for myself) have gone up $35 a month over the past year. What used to cost me $90 to run 6 servers on seperate providers now costs $125 with no increase in allowances (local users, bandwith, etc). But its either I pay it, or I reduce the number of servers I have-but being the founder of the network I feel I need to step up and provide a solid base also.
Thank god domain prices have fallen or I'd really be up a creek, I remember when they used to be $30, now I can register .com, .net, and .org for the same fee
Larger networks folding will help smaller networks, sure, but larger networks also keep most of the troublemakers away from the smaller networks. Its a tradeoff-sure, my network has more users now thanks to networks like DAL prohibiting file trades, but I also have a longer akill list. You have to take the good with the bad.
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In a sense i strongly agree with everything your saying, but as to DALnet halting file-sharing.. i think it was the best thing for the network.. now its a better environment for real chatters.. |
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Logical-
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| Posted: Jun 28, 2003 3:35pm Post subject: |
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I agree with you about DALnet. It actually doesnt lag that much anymore  Now that all the warez and fserv people are gone, its a much better place for people that just want to spend some time on a network that used to be well-known for stability and ease-of-use.
As to the future of IRC, I think IRC will always be there, just because of its amazing ability to bring people from around the world together. Especially as Internet access becomes more widespread, and IPv6 addresses get into use, more and more people will start using it.
The problem of DDoS will be solved, no doubt. Already many providers have been installing filters and hardware devices to block packets and all that stuff. Ever wondered why google never goes down? or why google's upstream routers change for different internet providers? they're ddos proof, practically. |
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Location: IRC
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| Posted: Jun 28, 2003 5:25pm Post subject: |
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| Or they have alot of redundant servers and you just can't see them going down. |
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Logical-
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| Posted: Jun 28, 2003 6:47pm Post subject: |
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| yea that too. |
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ed
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| Posted: Jun 28, 2003 9:02pm Post subject: |
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| Google has plenty of money to throw around. Their web site is obviously not running off of one server... more like 150 servers. They have practices in place for redundancy - have backup servers of the backup servers. It would take one very skilled plan to take down Google, or any large site with a fat wallet. |
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| Posted: Jun 29, 2003 11:00am Post subject: |
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| Plus the fact that a corporation such as the one that runs google would have access to the latest hardware and software that would block such attacks-way before you or I ever would. It wouldn't shock me if they have their own R&D for such hardware and software, as I'm sure there are plenty of people who try to attack them daily, meaning they would have plenty of instances to test it with. These attacks probably have no bearing on the functionality of the network and just allows the software to be refined and the hardware to be fine tuned. |
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Gatewayy
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| Posted: Jul 07, 2003 1:32pm Post subject: |
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| ed wrote: | | Google has plenty of money to throw around. Their web site is obviously not running off of one server... more like 150 servers. They have practices in place for redundancy - have backup servers of the backup servers. It would take one very skilled plan to take down Google, or any large site with a fat wallet. |
it would be rather scary if that ever happened
viva la google!  |
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Dr-Voodo
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Location: IRC
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| Posted: Apr 28, 2004 1:51am Post subject: Small network |
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| I am running a small network without any kind of warez (which by the way is great), and my meaning of warez is that it is destroying networks, yeah the networks gets bigger, but no one is chatting, of course all networks wants to get bigger and if they have warez they get bigger, but what will then happend to all the chatting? |
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darkrealmz
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| Posted: Sep 22, 2004 12:18pm Post subject: |
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| I have a small network wich I started about 6 months ago. I had a user come to be a few days ago and say, "You know, you'r network would grow if you allowed warez & stuff" I told them, "ya, no one would be chatting either" Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesent IRC stand for "Internet Relay Chat"? Not Internet Relay File-Shareing? |
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Pintuz
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| Posted: Sep 24, 2004 5:34am Post subject: |
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Hiya..!
I help run a small net (irc.m-irc.net).. the net is unique as its spamfree and doesnt allow warez, just a friendly place to chat
fight the spam
fight the warez
thats the future for irc
tc
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Apostle
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| Posted: Oct 07, 2004 4:27pm Post subject: |
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| Logical- wrote: | | The problem of DDoS will be solved, no doubt. |
As much as i hate to say it and would love to be wrong, i would have to disagree. As long as people are jealous of other networks and as long as competition between all networks (mostly warez associated) then attacks will keep happening. These kiddies will always find a way around something, no matter what you throw at them. IRC, in a way is a lot like human life itself. All these networks are like countries, the larger ones don't want competition so they attack others so they don't have competition.
As sad as it is, i don't think DDoS attacks will be going anywhere soon, even if they do, those little kiddies who bring out the worst in IRC will just find some other way to terrorize networks and act like they're the biggest and hardest IRC users out there. |
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anifinder
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| Posted: Oct 07, 2004 10:00pm Post subject: |
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I'm not sure if many of you remember the old BBS's that you had to dial (and later telnet) into in order to communicate with others on a partyline. I don't, since I was a young'n at the time, but I think it helps illustrate a point. IRC has been around for a very long time in terms of Internet phenomena. This is due in part to its simplistic (plaintext protocol) and open (free and unencumbered) nature that's allowed for continued, unimpeded development for so long. However though, I think that as IRC has evolved and become more prevalent as a tool for communication, it's shown its age and a lot of its limitations have become a lot more apparent. Things like Services and U:lines are really more of a hack of the protocol than anything, since IRC was never really designed with persistent data across sessions in mind.
As for whether or not IRC will go the way of the BBS is hard to say. One could say that BBS's are still alive and kicking in the form of forum systems like this one. Conversely, it may just be that IRC will continue to exist, but the client and server developers take it in a new direction. Personally, I enjoy the subculture (taking the good and the bad) surrounding IRC and will follow it wherever it will go, but I think that as time goes on, open, extensible, and actively developed protocols such as Jabber will compete for a share in the future of online communication. Competition is never bad though, so I'm sure that no matter what, the future of communication is bright. |
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