Janus

D3M0N · Posted: Jun 17, 2011 7:26pm Post subject: Janus

Ok, I have been to over 5000 servers listed here on SearchIRC. I have ound out things I didn't know was possible on IRC. But today I wanna now what you think about the project called "Janus".

As many of you know Janus hasn't been updated very much in the past 2 years since danieldg left it to mod for InspIRCd. I currently run a 100% Janus controlled network where every channel on the entire network is shared to or from another server linked to my janus.

I am planning on taking the Janus project to the next level with features that were requested by multiple people before but never added due to lack of interest.

If you answer YES to the poll, please state why you answered so.. Do you use it? know someone else who uses it?

If you answer NO state why you think we should let the project die... Have you used it before? Not worth it?

If you could care less either way... why do you not like it nor dislike it?

WTF is Janus...?!
Thats simple, Janus is an Inter-Network Channel Linker Service. It allows networks to link channels together w/o linking the network as a whole.

So.... whats it gonna be?!

BladeRunners · none Joined: 22 Nov 2010 Posts: 10

i voted yes because i seen it and we r linked to it go janus

Cayne · none Joined: 03 Apr 2011 Posts: 9

greatest BOT relay in the world easy to use and set up nice one dude

cheiron · Posted: Jun 18, 2011 12:16am Post subject:

definately yes mate.

you are the only official support / help for janus and it is still very much in use today.

its either that or let it all die and i think its too big / useful a tool for that to happen

GigIRC · Posted: Jun 18, 2011 6:14am Post subject: ..::Yes Janus::..

Well i have to vote a resounding YES on this poll as i have been a long term user and dedicated administrator of this service. There are so many options that can be intergrated into this product which will help Network owners and thier admin build thier network from multiple directions other than the standard network user building protocols [or simply waiting for users to appear] This service [Janus] should be on the list of things to set up for any small network of say 20+ active users; to help expand and form affiliations with other networks. it also provides network owners and admin to communicate more with other network owners and admin which leads to firm friendships which leads to knowlege sharing which leads to better run networks which leads to a better enduser experience... i dunno for IRC ! Winning.....JMHO

Timmy

Fear · Newbie Joined: 16 May 2011 Posts: 62

Voted No- The project is useless why have fake users on your server? Just to boost your server ranking on searchirc? Just to make lusers look fake? its pointless earn your users the hard way like efnet and undernet did

D3M0N · Posted: Jun 18, 2011 9:03am Post subject:

katsklaw · Posted: Jun 18, 2011 3:01pm Post subject:

D3M0N · Posted: Jun 18, 2011 5:08pm Post subject:

I was talking about FAKE users not having a ctcp reply, not psuedo clients.....

PingBad · Posted: Jun 18, 2011 5:18pm Post subject:

katsklaw · Posted: Jun 18, 2011 5:21pm Post subject:

The point remains, you can't tell real, fake or otherwise via ctcp usage. I'm as real as they come and have been ignoring ctcp since 1996. CTCP is an optional protocol that's supported by server and client software but by no means is it required, nor is it a measure of anything other than whether or not a client/bot/script/server replies to said queries.

Additionally, I'd also argue the fake user claim as well. they are not fake users. They are real people talking and the user records are simply forwarded to other networks via Janus as if it is sent to any server connected.

I've previously argued this point and stated that there is no difference between ircd1 sending it's /lusers info to ircd2 on the same network and Janus sending the same information from one link to another. It's the exact same process and concept. I fail to see why people must try to validate "fake" when there is no difference. If user1 is on ircd1, no one complains about ircd2 counting the user it it's /luers output unless if ircd2 is Janus. People are just pulling crap out there ears trying to find some validation for their invalid argument.

PS: I'm the other "NO" .. and you already know my reasons.

PingBad · Posted: Jun 18, 2011 6:11pm Post subject:

katsklaw · Posted: Jun 18, 2011 7:10pm Post subject:

Trixar_za · Posted: Jun 20, 2011 1:51am Post subject:

Please explain to me the difference between somebody connecting to a server linked with Janus to another servers and joining a channel and somebody connect to both servers and joining the exact same channel? The user will still count as one on both server's /lusers user count.

My definition of a fake user is a user with no real person behind it. I've seen people use multiple ZNC or other BNC clients to do this. I've even seen people use Anope and a hacked up UnrealIRCd to create these fake users.
This is where Janus is different. There is a REAL person behind the pseudo clients it creates.

I do however agree that Janus can be used to inflate numbers by abusing certain functions of it. For example, you could use a ClientBot and connect to a big channel like #Ubuntu on Freenode while putting the channel on your network as hidden and moderated. This will inflate your numbers massively and to me is an unethical way to use Janus.

D3M0N · Posted: Jun 21, 2011 6:00pm Post subject: