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Dark_Titan
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Joined: 09 Jul 2008
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 Posted: Feb 24, 2011 7:42pm Post subject: network info update |
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Hi,
I've submitted a network information update for our network, Cyanide-x, but it's not appearing.
Was my request declined? Is there a way I could find out? |
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D3M0N
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Joined: 15 Nov 2009
Posts: 296
Location: Myrtle Beach, S.C.
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| Posted: Feb 24, 2011 10:19pm Post subject: |
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As I was recently informed, it can take a few weeks for the information to be updated.
Just wait for it. |
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Russ
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Joined: 07 Apr 2004
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Location: UK, Brighton
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| Posted: Mar 03, 2011 10:20am Post subject: |
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| Few weeks? try a few months! |
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Dark_Titan
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| Posted: Mar 08, 2011 9:38pm Post subject: |
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| Might as well just have the networks auto accepted if they're not going to do it manually... |
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Huru
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Location: New Zealand
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| Posted: Mar 08, 2011 10:30pm Post subject: |
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| Dark_Titan wrote: | | Might as well just have the networks auto accepted if they're not going to do it manually... |
Or you could wait, the world does not revolve around IRC ya'know. |
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Russ
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Location: UK, Brighton
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| Posted: Mar 09, 2011 6:35am Post subject: |
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| Huru wrote: | | Dark_Titan wrote: | | Might as well just have the networks auto accepted if they're not going to do it manually... |
Or you could wait, the world does not revolve around IRC ya'know. |
Without IRC Networks, channels etc there would be no point in this site being here.
It's taking forever to get stuff updated. I think people have the right to be annoyed at the length of time it's taking. I appriecate that Jason is the one that manually accepts the updates etc and that he has a lot to do but maybe share the burden then. |
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Bertrum
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Joined: 30 Mar 2008
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Location: Venus
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| Posted: Mar 09, 2011 7:11am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | It's taking forever to get stuff updated. I think people have the right to be annoyed at the length of time it's taking. I appriecate that Jason is the one that manually accepts the updates etc and that he has a lot to do but maybe share the burden then. |
I don't think you have any right to be annoyed that this free service has a delay in network updates. Maybe if you was paying to be listed here you would have a right, but you're not. |
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PingBad
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Joined: 05 Feb 2005
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Location: New Zealand
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| Posted: Mar 09, 2011 7:32am Post subject: |
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| Russ wrote: | | I appriecate that Jason is the one that manually accepts the updates etc and that he has a lot to do but maybe share the burden then. |
I used to handle that burden, it is definately not as easy as it sounds... to the common user who flows through here, it seems like it's just push a button and all is right with the world - I can assure you that it is far more involved making sure every change is legitimate and valid, that is excessively time consuming (entire weekends, no less).
If you're volunteering for the position, fine - but Jason prefers impartial candidates (not suggesting anything against you personally, but he would likely rather someone who doesn't have a vested interest in any of the networks currently in the index - it would create a conflict of interest much less room for allegations of the staff member responsible putting their own network[s] ahead of anyone else's) |
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katsklaw
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Joined: 28 Jun 2004
Posts: 1614
Location: Somewhere you're not.
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| Posted: Mar 09, 2011 8:03am Post subject: |
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| PingBad wrote: | | If you're volunteering for the position, fine - but Jason prefers impartial candidates (not suggesting anything against you personally, but he would likely rather someone who doesn't have a vested interest in any of the networks currently in the index - it would create a conflict of interest much less room for allegations of the staff member responsible putting their own network[s] ahead of anyone else's) |
The problem there is there likely isn't anyone here that is experienced enough to spot invalid/bogus nets, that isn't involved *and* has enough free time to be worth adding.
Everyone in this thread has vested interest elsewhere. In fact, I'd bet that every active member on SIRC has vested interest.
Another issue is that there really isn't a lot that is gained at being indexed vs not being indexed in reference to the set-up and promotion of a network. There really isn't. the only things that missing are the network page, network rank, channel index page and the scrawl connecting several times per day. None of which will bring users. The best way to bring users is to invite them via the forum which only requires user level access. Even with the forums, networks are not going to see a huge flood of users. This is because most of the active users here on the forum are also network admins all trying to get users the same as the next guy. Gaining user is hard slow work and keeping them is even harder. There is no such thing as a "turn key package" for an IRC network. They must all be built from nothing. SearchIRC is only 1 tool and time shouldn't be focused on why indexing hasn't occured yet. That's time wasted away from all the other tools that may prove more effective and time spent away from keeping existing users.
Did you know that even with as much as people hate spam and junk mail, they are still both the most effective advertising tools? I'm not saying you should spam the hell outta people, for IRC that only get your network attacked. I'm saying that you need to get out there and advertise anywhere and everywhere, SIRC is just one place and most of the users here are admins just like everyone else fishing for users in the same pond. I could name a handful of networks (if there weren't confidential clients) that are all 500+ user IRC networks, larger than 95% of the indexed networks. NONE of them are indexed, NONE of them even have a single post on SIRC's forums.
In short, spending time complaining about how long it takes to get indexed is actually more harm than good. There are far more important things to be concerned about. |
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PingBad
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Location: New Zealand
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| Posted: Mar 09, 2011 9:14am Post subject: |
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| katsklaw wrote: | | The problem there is there likely isn't anyone here that is experienced enough to spot invalid/bogus nets, that isn't involved *and* has enough free time to be worth adding. |
This is a valid point | Quote: | | Everyone in this thread has vested interest elsewhere. In fact, I'd bet that every active member on SIRC has vested interest. |
I'm inclined to agree here, pity... I was really hoping to disprove you, but I guess some things are still impossible  | Quote: | | The best way to bring users is to invite them via the forum which only requires user level access. Even with the forums, networks are not going to see a huge flood of users. This is because most of the active users here on the forum are also network admins all trying to get users the same as the next guy. |
I'll disagree to a point here, however... it's not that every network and their mascot is trying to gain users from the same pool (the vast majority of dedicated IRC clients - excluding web-based ones - do support multiple connections... hell, I connect to eight seperate networks every time I fire up my client), it's that admins aren't promoting their networks well enough. There are a lot of cases where it's just "hey, new net, check us out at <address>", they don't do enough to convince the end-user that their network is actually worth the effort of connecting to and until they do achieve this, they have essentially set themselves up for assured self-destruction (PR admins, take note! It's not enough to have a catchy name and a short few lines with your connect address, convince us dangit!) | Quote: | | Gaining user is hard slow work and keeping them is even harder. |
See previous drawling and add that, statistically, the main reasons users leave the network is either incompetent/power tripping staff, or boredom enough to start looking for a better home | Quote: | | I'm not saying you should spam the hell outta people, for IRC that only get your network attacked. |
While both are immoral, they do happen all too frequently to rate as news these days (what's scarier I wonder... something happening that makes news, or said something happening so often it doesn't feature?) | Quote: | | I'm saying that you need to get out there and advertise anywhere and everywhere, SIRC is just one place and most of the users here are admins just like everyone else fishing for users in the same pond. I could name a handful of networks (if there weren't confidential clients) that are all 500+ user IRC networks, larger than 95% of the indexed networks. NONE of them are indexed, NONE of them even have a single post on SIRC's forums. |
They found the combo that works for them, but this is hardly a one-size-fits-all world | Quote: | | In short, spending time complaining about how long it takes to get indexed is actually more harm than good. There are far more important things to be concerned about. |
I actually look down on those who repeatedly bitch and moan on these forums about such-and-such happening, or such-and-such not happening. It seems the younger the generation, the more impatient (read: less likely to research/read documentation) they get. I don't know where people get off these days thinking all they have to do is click a given button and everything will happen for them while they sit back and stroke their e-peens (not saying the OP of this topic is like this, but just a general statement nevertheless) |
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ButtaKnife
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Joined: 26 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Mar 09, 2011 11:19am Post subject: |
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| I agree and disagree with stuff said here. I agree that a SearchIRC network profile won't make or break a network, but I also sympathize with those who are waiting for stuff to be approved. Hopefully Jason can get things going again in the near future. |
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katsklaw
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Joined: 28 Jun 2004
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Location: Somewhere you're not.
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| Posted: Mar 09, 2011 3:03pm Post subject: |
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| PingBad wrote: | | katsklaw wrote: | | ]I'm saying that you need to get out there and advertise anywhere and everywhere, SIRC is just one place and most of the users here are admins just like everyone else fishing for users in the same pond. I could name a handful of networks (if there weren't confidential clients) that are all 500+ user IRC networks, larger than 95% of the indexed networks. NONE of them are indexed, NONE of them even have a single post on SIRC's forums. |
They found the combo that works for them, but this is hardly a one-size-fits-all world |
Yes they did find a combo that works and yes it is a one-size-fits-all solution. ANY network listed CAN do the same thing!! It's a combo that has been suggested here on many occasions and for several years now. They found a niche they can relate to and they legally and morally promoted themselves to gain a good user base. The real question is, WILL people do it? The answer I fear is so in-your-face obvious with thousands of dead/abandoned networks in the list.
I'm not saying SIRC is a useless set of tools. SIRC does have it's uses, it's just that SIRC doesn't have to be a hindrance when promoting your network. It seems to me that people come here, submit an application then think that they are stuck and can't do anything else until approved. Which is a very false assumption.
The focus lately has been "Why is it taking so long?" when the focus should be "What else can we do while this is being processed?" |
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ButtaKnife
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I don't think the focus is necessarily on the delay. One thread on the SIRC forums is hardly indicative of that. I've had a network profile update pending for a while now, but we've been quite busy in the meantime. I just thought it would be nice to update the profile with the latest details.
Don't take this the wrong way, but many people here seem to be way too willing to white knight for SearchIRC. I still enjoy this site, and as I said before, I hope Jason can get things going again soon, but the slow responses are a bit concerning for the future of the site. Here's hoping for the best! |
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katsklaw
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Location: Somewhere you're not.
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| Posted: Mar 11, 2011 3:12pm Post subject: |
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| ButtaKnife wrote: | I don't think the focus is necessarily on the delay. One thread on the SIRC forums is hardly indicative of that. I've had a network profile update pending for a while now, but we've been quite busy in the meantime. I just thought it would be nice to update the profile with the latest details.
Don't take this the wrong way, but many people here seem to be way too willing to white knight for SearchIRC. I still enjoy this site, and as I said before, I hope Jason can get things going again soon, but the slow responses are a bit concerning for the future of the site. Here's hoping for the best! |
If it were just one thread, then I'd agree with you, but it's not.
Not sure what you meant by "white knight for SIRC" I'm neither for SIRC nor against it. This actually is one of the rare, non-inflammatory threads although a bit off topic. I see nothing unhealthy nor any cause to make it so.
I could make a prediction about the future of this site, but I won't as it would definitely cause a flame war.  |
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RussKaos
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| Posted: Mar 13, 2011 10:10am Post subject: |
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| PingBad wrote: | | I used to handle that burden, it is definately not as easy as it sounds... to the common user who flows through here, it seems like it's just push a button and all is right with the world - I can assure you that it is far more involved making sure every change is legitimate and valid, that is excessively time consuming (entire weekends, no less). |
I didn't say it was easy and just because some people are more active than others doesnt mean that we don't follow things on here which is what I feel your saying. I run various sites of my own and I know how time consuming they are to keep updated but if needed I'd take on people to help out.
| Quote: | | If you're volunteering for the position, fine - but Jason prefers impartial candidates (not suggesting anything against you personally, but he would likely rather someone who doesn't have a vested interest in any of the networks currently in the index - it would create a conflict of interest much less room for allegations of the staff member responsible putting their own network[s] ahead of anyone else's) |
Why keep defending Jason then? If he want's to do all the updates himself he should expect some flak. As I said previously I read that he was unwell and for that I'm sorry and I hope he's okay now.
I'm not trying to use SearchIRC to gain users as it doesn't do that but it is a valuable tool for new users in the IRC world to find a decent server. If we can't keep things upto date theres no point being here and I stand by what I said about without the networks this place wouldnt need to be here.
I expect people tp pounce again and come to the defence. I'm not trying to cause an argument, just trying to say see it from our point of view. It's okay accepting new networks but what about the current ones? |
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