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whrenn
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Joined: 25 Apr 2010
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Location: Whrenn Universe
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 Posted: May 08, 2010 7:31am Post subject: |
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I agree with everything you said, however during your bashfest you happen to mention that ircd shouldn't have such abilities. You and every other Unreal hater out there still fail to mention or even acknowledge the fact that in at least Inspircd and it appears Icarus YOU DONT HAVE TO LOAD THE MODULES YOU DON'T WANT OR BELIEVE IN!!! That means, if you don't like SAJOIN, comment it out! It's that simple. It's a config option in both Inspircd and Icarus, you said it yourself that all ircds have to be configured anyway.
Thus making it where Inspircd/Icarus CAN be the ircd you want. A basic ircd without super powers. IS that concept so hard to comprehend from such apparently intelligent people? I'm so tired of seeing all these posts about Unreal haters complaining about OPTIONAL features! Please look up the word if you don't know what it means.
As far as superadmin goes or any other command you dislike, in Anope at least, guess what? ALSO COMPLETELY OPTIONAL AND IN THE CONFIG!! So will everyone PLEASE stop bitching about OPTIONAL features?
It would be a more valid point to say you dislike Icarus because it's on an old code base, at least that point can't be overcome by a configuration option.
At least I've looked at the config files for Icarus, have you? |
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Hated_Rogue
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Joined: 13 Mar 2010
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Location: Hot Springs, Arkansas
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| Posted: May 08, 2010 6:55pm Post subject: OK.. |
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Ive checked out many Inspircd/Unrealircd networks using anope services, over 95% of them do have these features enabled. Give kiddos an ten dollar bill and the oppurtunity to flex some power over internet users that he or she begs to come to their little crappy network, and they will. Alot of adults (well, age wise anyway, I wouldn't call them adults if they choose to use these modules) use them also.
This leads me to another rant: Ive noticed that most Unrealircd and Inspircd (and their knockoffs) all have the same damn people on them. Whats the damn purpose of that? WHo in the hell wants to be on 10 different networks with the same damn people on them? That is just plain ignorant, yet its more than quite common to see. Can anyone explain that to me?
And yes, I have looked at the config files for more ircds than I can remember, including Icarus. Its ugly imo. *shrug*
And yes, you are right, icarus or inspircd or even unreal could be the ircd i want..but they arent. I want an ircd that doesnt have the options Ive ranted about in them to begin with  |
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Trixar_za
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Joined: 10 Dec 2006
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Location: South Africa
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| Posted: May 08, 2010 8:22pm Post subject: |
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Totally off topic though. To summarize the above posts: People list which modules they find useful. User comments about turning off abusive commands and functions. katsklaw comments about how Icarus makes many of unreal's power crazed functions optional, while adding some modules by default.
As for the rant, it has some valid points when you get past the newbie hate. I don't like InspIRCd and unlike what some people might think, I don't like UnrealIRCd much either. Yes, I use the latter, but only because it's what my staff and users know. No sense in losing users and staff just because I *hate* something I'm forced to use. That's like forcing an whole office to switch from Windows to KDE just because I hate MS. It won't work out well in the end. Otherwise valid points, but lay off the newbie hate  |
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Hated_Rogue
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Location: Hot Springs, Arkansas
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| Posted: May 08, 2010 8:29pm Post subject: newbie hate? |
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Being able to read and use a keyboard is not hard. Any "newbie" can do it otherwise they would have alot of problems using IRC right? So you run an ircd to cater to your staff and users? Im pretty sure using nickserv and chanserv is a pretty standard thing, and doesnt change very much when it comes to registering nicks and channels. And as for the ircd...they must have spent days learning all of those crap unessecary channel modes.
In the end...all of those channel modes and questionable modules/features = bloat ...if you have them enabled or not. |
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katsklaw
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Joined: 28 Jun 2004
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Location: Somewhere you're not.
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| Posted: May 08, 2010 8:40pm Post subject: |
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ok, to sum up the last few posts. You don't like unreal/inSPYrcd/Icarus. And Whrenn needs a chill pill.
Ok point taken, You and 53634645675 share the same opinion. Some of us don't care about your opinion. If you don't like an IRCd, then don't use it .. period. Just because you and your atheme friends don't like an ircd doesn't me you need to cram your opinion down everyone elses throat. It's getting old and sounds like Microsoft.
Enough high school drama, please move along now.
Mods can lock this thread, I'm done with it since I don't really hang out here anymore except when people ask me to check out stupid crap. |
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Hated_Rogue
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Location: Hot Springs, Arkansas
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| Posted: May 08, 2010 8:41pm Post subject: |
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| Trixar_za wrote: | Totally off topic though. To summarize the above posts: People list which modules they find useful. User comments about turning off abusive commands and functions. katsklaw comments about how Icarus makes many of unreal's power crazed functions optional, while adding some modules by default.
As for the rant, it has some valid points when you get past the newbie hate. I don't like InspIRCd and unlike what some people might think, I don't like UnrealIRCd much either. Yes, I use the latter, but only because it's what my staff and users know. No sense in losing users and staff just because I *hate* something I'm forced to use. That's like forcing an whole office to switch from Windows to KDE just because I hate MS. It won't work out well in the end. Otherwise valid points, but lay off the newbie hate |
I just switched my 70 year old father in laws title business over to Debian GNU/Linux on a dell poweredge server that some jerk gouged him into buying...he didnt need all of that money spent to server 4 workstations or handle the files hes required to keep. He also let me switch his workstation over to debian lenny and hes more than impressed with it, it works, the risk of getting a virus by browsing the internet or opening an email is quite minimal, and his workstation is much faster. Old dogs can learn new tricks. So asking someone to switch from windows to KDE (only in this instance icewm) is not much for them to learn. IF my 70 year old father in law can do it in a day with no questions, any other idiot on earth thats willing to poke around the desktop environments menu can figure it out....*sigh* |
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Hated_Rogue
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Location: Hot Springs, Arkansas
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| Posted: May 08, 2010 8:46pm Post subject: |
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| katsklaw wrote: | ok, to sum up the last few posts. You don't like unreal/inSPYrcd/Icarus. And Whrenn needs a chill pill.
Ok point taken, You and 53634645675 share the same opinion. Some of us don't care about your opinion. If you don't like an IRCd, then don't use it .. period. Just because you and your atheme friends don't like an ircd doesn't me you need to cram your opinion down everyone elses throat. It's getting old and sounds like Microsoft.
Enough high school drama, please move along now.
Mods can lock this thread, I'm done with it since I don't really hang out here anymore except when people ask me to check out stupid crap. |
Then you should lock down this whole damn forum, because I am not the only one nor is the other person you mentioned at fault here. Its all over the forums....ALso....what is the purpose of a forum other than to share opinions and ideas? Who cares if YOU don't care. This forum is open to the public and the public all has a right to an opinion. |
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katsklaw
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| Posted: May 09, 2010 12:17pm Post subject: |
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| Hated_Rogue wrote: | | katsklaw wrote: | ok, to sum up the last few posts. You don't like unreal/inSPYrcd/Icarus. And Whrenn needs a chill pill.
Ok point taken, You and 53634645675 share the same opinion. Some of us don't care about your opinion. If you don't like an IRCd, then don't use it .. period. Just because you and your atheme friends don't like an ircd doesn't me you need to cram your opinion down everyone elses throat. It's getting old and sounds like Microsoft.
Enough high school drama, please move along now.
Mods can lock this thread, I'm done with it since I don't really hang out here anymore except when people ask me to check out stupid crap. |
Then you should lock down this whole damn forum, because I am not the only one nor is the other person you mentioned at fault here. Its all over the forums....ALso....what is the purpose of a forum other than to share opinions and ideas? Who cares if YOU don't care. This forum is open to the public and the public all has a right to an opinion. |
You're quite right. If you know me at all, which you don't, you'd know that I maintain the same view, this is an open forum.
If you knew anything about SIRC, you'd know that threads are often locked when their content goes awry. You'd also know that trolling, which you're doing is against the forum rules. You'd also know that threads are sometimes locked at the creators request.
All you are doing is posting crap that has been said already 345674576456 times already and if you had bothered to actually research the topic you'd see that most people really don't care. So your point is effectively moot. I'm not the only one here that doesn't care about your psychobabble. You do have a right to your opinion and congratulations on having one. You don't have the right to force it upon others. You may have a right to your opinion, but you don't have the right to toss it about as if everyone should care. Nor do you have the right to destroy an otherwise constructive thread with off topic bantering. So what if you hate Unreal? Who really cares? I doubt anyone slept better last night knowing your opinion.
You should also note that it really doesn't make sense to blame the software for how it's used. That's just plain stupid. What's more stupid to to argue about it, in vein I might add. Most people that come here complaining about how bad Unreal is usually give up because the topic has been debated so much and neither side wins. Several people here don't even read the thread.
PS: You're not the only one here that's been on IRC since 1996 or even earlier, your experience isn't as special as you may think. I *DO* repsect your opinion, I do *NOT* respect how you delivered it. The thread is addressing those that *DO* use Unreal, not an invitation for yet another Unreal bashfest part 6574567456745674356467658. Now the thread is completely trashed with a bunch of crap that's been argued over for years. If you want to exercise your right to your opinion, please do me a favor and do it on your own thread so I can get back to a constructive conversation.
That said,
Icarus .04 is nearing release. .04 includes a few features not in 3.2.8.1 as well as a few upstreamed bugfixes such as the FireFox XPS IRC Attack bug. .04 also includes the ability to compile on windows (sorry, no installer yet.)
Check it out at: http://code.google.com/p/icarus-ircd/ |
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