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mentor
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Joined: 22 Jun 2004
Posts: 91
Location: San Diego, CA
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This whole thread is rather silly, to be perfectly honest.
As a developer for a few different IRC projects, I find the idea of trying to make ircd's closed source programs ridiculous. Not to mention, just about every ircd (unless created from scratch) borrows/reuses code from each other, which would be a licensing nightmare. But besides that, the problem doesn't even lie with the software itself.
Most ircd's have been easy to install and configure for years. It's not like it takes a rocket scientist to do it. Getting it setup to work as you intend may be bit more tricky depending on the flavor you choose -- mostly due to lack of documentation. It's not exactly Unreal's fault they've documented the whole process a little better. Trying to make something more difficult than it really is will only lead to even more poorly configured servers out there.
The problem lies with people not taking the time to read and learn a little on what exactly they're doing, and that's nothing unique to IRC. |
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banshe21
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Joined: 26 Sep 2008
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"Getting it setup to work as you intend may be bit more tricky depending on the flavor you choose -- mostly due to lack of documentation. It's not exactly Unreal's fault they've documented the whole process a little better" To be exact its like Undernet's IRCd or even EFnet's IRCd. Those are a pain in the ass to setup cause theres no docs on them. Just trail and error  |
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PingBad
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Joined: 05 Feb 2005
Posts: 3001
Location: New Zealand
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| Posted: May 10, 2009 6:41am Post subject: |
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| Totally agree with you there mentor. The real problem lies in lack of education, not lack of documentation/IRCd licensing - what say we get the horse and cart the right way round before we head into town? |
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katsklaw
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Joined: 28 Jun 2004
Posts: 1604
Location: Somewhere you're not.
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| Posted: May 10, 2009 8:21am Post subject: |
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| banshe21 wrote: | | "Getting it setup to work as you intend may be bit more tricky depending on the flavor you choose -- mostly due to lack of documentation. It's not exactly Unreal's fault they've documented the whole process a little better" To be exact its like Undernet's IRCd or even EFnet's IRCd. Those are a pain in the ass to setup cause theres no docs on them. Just trail and error |
Since when has ircu been "undocumented"??? Have you even looked in the docs directory? it's 700k of docs from HIS_* and other config directive explainations, the P10 protocol whitepaper from at least 2002, Programming API whitepaper, different OS readmes, DOXY file (which can be used to document every line of code in the src in a web interface), the history from at least version 2.6 though 2.10, which is more than 12 years of history, RFC1459, RFC1413 just to name a few things included in the ircu documentation.
Granted most of it hasn't changed in the last 5-9 years, but that's likely because the ircd it's self hasn't had any major changes in that time frame.
Unreal's doc directory is 2+mb .. but that's because their html version of their docs are in 11 different languages. Which takes up a lot of space, so other than the translations there isn't a huge amount of topics covered in Unreal that isn't covered in ircu. |
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PingBad
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Joined: 05 Feb 2005
Posts: 3001
Location: New Zealand
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| Posted: May 10, 2009 9:13am Post subject: |
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| banshe21 wrote: | | "Getting it setup to work as you intend may be bit more tricky depending on the flavor you choose -- mostly due to lack of documentation. It's not exactly Unreal's fault they've documented the whole process a little better" To be exact its like Undernet's IRCd or even EFnet's IRCd. Those are a pain in the ass to setup cause theres no docs on them. Just trail and error |
Concurring with katsklaw here, but if you're going to state something as a fact, at least have some proof. This isn't the first time you've been caught out like this either |
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katsklaw
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Joined: 28 Jun 2004
Posts: 1604
Location: Somewhere you're not.
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| Posted: May 10, 2009 3:13pm Post subject: |
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I ran through doxygen real quick for you:
http://shellnode.net/ircu/doxy/
Perhaps I'll do the same thing for all the common ircds. We'll see. |
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JoeK
Newbie
Joined: 14 Apr 2009
Posts: 50
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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| Posted: May 10, 2009 4:04pm Post subject: |
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| Well, the only reason this upsets me is that people will leave my network go to their own, and when it fails, they might come back but with no followers, and during their net, they spam it around. It makes me so mad until it falls. Being as it is, nature takes its course, perhaps itd be best to lock the topic. My other one seems lonely D: |
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PingBad
Post Whore
Joined: 05 Feb 2005
Posts: 3001
Location: New Zealand
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| Posted: May 10, 2009 4:54pm Post subject: |
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| As you wish, JoeK - prod me or one of the other members of staff should you wish to unlock it |
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