The way IRC is going..

JoeK · Posted: May 07, 2009 5:28pm Post subject: The way IRC is going..

I may not have been on IRC a long time, but ive seen where this is going, with all of IRC in general. User mike comes to the network, makes a channel, and moves a commmunity, but 2 months later, he makes his own irc network without any prior knowledge. Thus he begs the network he was on for help, and eventually he has this irc network with 10 people, and then he ends up getting depressed as he gets spam botted by advertising (spam through various network pms), and eventually leaves IRC in general or flocks back to the network, with a reduced user count of his community.

What do you think, is this how it appears to you? does it not? Comments appreciated!

PingBad · Posted: May 07, 2009 5:58pm Post subject:

As a friend once put it - client by 8AM, IRCd by 9AM, services installed by 10:30, irc network by midday

katsklaw · Posted: May 07, 2009 6:05pm Post subject:

greg27 · Idler Joined: 07 Oct 2006 Posts: 255 Location: Australia

webcoder · Lurker Joined: 28 Feb 2008 Posts: 162 Location: Florida

true dat...

JoeK · Posted: May 07, 2009 10:37pm Post subject:

Another thing i noticed is that current "ok" networks shutdown, then re-open, with no users, and they have 20 opers, and they thinkg they are the "bomb", it makes me me mad when i see people who dont know what mode +A (unreal) is or how to tal properly(If You Have Seen Some of My Old Posts You Will Know That I Hate When People Capitalize Every Word -.-<capitalclosingparanthesis. I personally thing all the ircds should only be released to individuals that pass a dynamic test, jus used as an example however. It makes me mad when a network spawns off mine and gets advertised. Although, seeing it fail and them flocking back is a pretty good feeling, but unfortunatly, you get "retards(just a term for stupid, no condition involved)" who run a 5 person network and FIGHT to keep it alive; those naivetes will learn one day.

Trixar_za · Posted: May 08, 2009 10:50am Post subject:

Nothing expressly wrong with fighting to keep a network alive - it's just the methods and reasons (mostly "I wannabe da boss") these individuals use that is the problem.

I agree on the test, it will atleast filter out these power-hungry and lazy $5 Admins and actually require some knowledge of them before starting up a network.

I'm just wondering when these "admins" will realize that the true life-blood of IRC is the USERS and NOT THEM OR THEIR POWER. Also, knowing what you're doing is VERY important. Normally when networks realize these, they tend to act accordingly and it does grow - normally exponentially.

TwinShadow · none Joined: 28 Sep 2008 Posts: 38 Location: Texas

I can't say I agree with everything that's been posted here, but for the most part it is true.

I mainly got into IRCd's myself to try something new, gives me stuff to learn as I do things differently and such. I don't have the money to afford an actual 'server' right this moment since not everyone can... So the stereotypical "$5" isn't necessarily true for everyone.

Even on the network I run, we only have two opers, myself and a friend of mine. I have a sort of application process in the case that we do need more opers for whatever reason (in which case, we don't) and of course, we do trial periods before we fully recruit. I think some networks should at least consider doing something like that to reduce the hassle of people just wanting all the power...

Also, I might suggest for some networks to invest some time into configuring their networks so those of higher power won't get the g/kline on them. Inspircd has something like that, and I'm sure Unreal does too and other IRCd's. Might actually be worth it in the end in case something bad does happen.

Of course, I will say I do know of one person that is extremely power-hungry... and all he wants is all the power to do whatever he wants, which is why I banned him not only from my IRC server, but as well as the web server entirely. Basically, just be careful with who you meet and really think about what you're doing..

JoeK · Posted: May 08, 2009 1:43pm Post subject:

The problem is the powerhungry "n0bs" who have to have the most and ultimate power. Getting banned everywhere goes to show what kind of a network to run. My network, is a spawnoff of an old large network. but the people, or users in this case, wanted 'reformation', so after i tried but failed to reform, i made my own. This goes to show that even when large networks are run by powerhungry idiots(using that lightly), they will come to their downfall.

Trixar_za · Posted: May 08, 2009 2:10pm Post subject:

JoeK · Posted: May 08, 2009 2:35pm Post subject:

The network is exactly different then the 'spawn off' its just where the users and channels went. But, the power hungry guy never tried to restart a network, now he abides rules on a current network, not mine apparently considering i took that net down(i own the domain).

SATAN-HHH · Eleet Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 935 Location: Texas

I started an Irc network for mainly the same reason as TwinShadow. I had a natural curiosity as to how the server-side of Irc worked, and wanted to learn more of the server-side commands and the daemons themselves. I only wish I would have had more time to put into it. Far as taking Irc too seriously and the whole hiring of staff goes, I wish more had the same line of reasoning as far as hiring new staff goes. Most networks seem to just connect an server and/or hire staff with little or no trial period or checks, resulting in a lot of unnecessary staff abuse and argumentation between staff members and staff/users.

As to small networks attempting to stay alive, I see no issue with that myself. I have been a user of and remained on a couple very small networks due to the small friendly atmosphere, which I, and some others, enjoy more than large networks. You never know unless you keep trying and give your network a chance, whether you fail or succeed.

JoeK · Posted: May 20, 2009 2:29pm Post subject:

The problem is not that small communites should wither and join bigger ones, its people who dont deserve a network (power noobs, such a greatly used term in this topic) who spam their networks around and only have them because they get ultimate power over everything.

katsklaw · Posted: May 20, 2009 3:03pm Post subject:

Telume · none Joined: 06 Jul 2007 Posts: 46

As I said in my previous post in the other topic JoeK had, I learned by tinkering.

Now for my opinion:

I think a way to grow as an admin is to know your users as well. They're the network, not you. This is probably something most noob admins neglect, because they just want users, they don't care who.

The more you know about your users the better off you will probably be in the long run.

Now if you have a 1k user network, you're probably not going to get to know all 1000 users (if you did then congrats you have no life, but on IRC, who does, so what the hay knock yourself out), but having a general understanding of what some common interests are among them helps.

Now there might be people out there who didn't oper but they got mentored by a more experienced admin on their own network.

I.E.: The admin opers alongside their pupil on the pupil's network.

It's possible and I've seen it done too.