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katsklaw
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 Posted: Apr 11, 2009 4:58pm Post subject: network approval |
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I understand why there is a delay between network submittal and approval and whole heartedly agree that there should be a delay. However, in my very humble opinion 5-6+ weeks is far too long.
There are nets from the beginning of March and here it is the middle of April and they are still waiting to be processed. Is it possible to get on with it already? |
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PingBad
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| Posted: Apr 11, 2009 5:35pm Post subject: |
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| if I had the time and access (to the best of my knowledge, only Jason does) - I'd be doing it, but I don't have the time to deal with that (this recession is hitting my wallet pretty damn hard) nor the access |
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Nixtrix
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| Posted: Apr 12, 2009 9:37pm Post subject: |
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Heres an idea.
Give a certain few the access and make like a team or soemthing... im still waiting for mine  .
so yea jason NixtrixStudios 
rofl.
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HollyW00d
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| Posted: Apr 13, 2009 3:57am Post subject: |
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| Well in my humble opinion, if the same people wouldn't keep shutting down and creating a new network every month the submission process would be smoother also. |
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Trixar_za
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| Posted: Apr 13, 2009 7:08am Post subject: |
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| HollyW00d wrote: | | Well in my humble opinion, if the same people wouldn't keep shutting down and creating a new network every month the submission process would be smoother also. |
That's only one of the problems, the others are splinter networks and people who believe they should own their own network (for whatever reason). All this leads to exponential growth of submissions - more network to approve means more work to do for the people who have to. Add to that the network descriptions that need to moderated and that most of us on IRC have a real and demanding jobs, you can see why it's taking so long.
The solution seems to be to then get more people to handle submissions, but I assume Jason has his reasons for the current setup, maybe it's complicated to do correctly, or worse gives certain people direct access to the code - which to say said person had a grudge against a network then could literally delete them or do some other malicious harm.
Maybe the better solution would be in breaking up the jobs and allowing people only limited access to each. For example you could split verification of a network with bot sending, approval and adding of networks and moderation of network description all into separate 'jobs' with each having their own access and ability. This could reduce Jason's work load and hopefully keep any one person from causing too much damage.
Just a thought though |
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Invisible
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| Posted: Apr 13, 2009 9:11am Post subject: |
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| Trixar_za wrote: | | Maybe the better solution would be in breaking up the jobs and allowing people only limited access to each. For example you could split verification of a network with bot sending, approval and adding of networks and moderation of network description all into separate 'jobs' with each having their own access and ability. This could reduce Jason's work load and hopefully keep any one person from causing too much damage. |
I'm fairly sure they don't have enough staff to do that much splitting up of jobs, but I'm sure something to that extent could help out. |
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katsklaw
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| Posted: Apr 13, 2009 10:09am Post subject: |
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| Invisible wrote: | | Trixar_za wrote: | | Maybe the better solution would be in breaking up the jobs and allowing people only limited access to each. For example you could split verification of a network with bot sending, approval and adding of networks and moderation of network description all into separate 'jobs' with each having their own access and ability. This could reduce Jason's work load and hopefully keep any one person from causing too much damage. |
I'm fairly sure they don't have enough staff to do that much splitting up of jobs, but I'm sure something to that extent could help out. |
Here's the issue there. Is it our (network owners) fault that SIRC doesn't have sufficient staff?? .. Of course not. Yet we are the ones that suffer for it by having to wait for unreasonable periods of time because:
1> lack of staff (not our fault)
2> fly-by-night nets (not our fault)
Walk into any store and don't get serviced in a resonable time frame and you'll get bent out of shape. Sure, SIRC like other IRC sites are run by volunteers, but that only buys so much. If a user come to a NetAdmin on any IRC network with an issue and we took a month to get back to them, they don't care if we are volunteers or not. We help them quickly or we run the risk of losing them as a user.
Back when SIRC had it's own irc network, I was part of the staff and had access to verify networks. It wasn't hard for me in the span of an hour or 2 to verify several nets. It wasn't a difficult task. Perhaps it's been made harder now, I don't know. MY point remains, new nets shouldn't have to wait 6 weeks to be added.
I really don't mean to complain, but what's the point in offering services if you don't follow through with what you offer? There really isn't a good reason SIRC doesn't have sufficient staff to handle this. It's definately not due to a lack of volunteers. I can think of several people here that could be trusted to screen networks, a few have been here for years and couple are already staff. |
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TurboIRC
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| Posted: Apr 13, 2009 10:42pm Post subject: About the Delay time |
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| The Delay time is good. Weeds out the Straglers and weeds out them doing stuff they dont need to. Because there are always networks starting up wanting to be on searchirc then bam they shutdown or they dont make it long. The wait time is perfect. If it was different there would be twice as much for for the admins. |
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PingBad
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| Posted: Apr 13, 2009 11:54pm Post subject: |
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Well, who amongst you would you nominate for the responsibility of handling the network approval process (including pending modifications to networks already in the indexes)?
I do agree that having only one staff member (currently) with the access to handle network approvals (I have the access to approve/reject modifications to network info, but that's about it - as far as network-specific info goes) is insufficient; but I also believe that Jason likes to keep things barebones for the sake of security (it's to the same lines as to why a network would keep it's O:Line count to a minimum where practical) |
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katsklaw
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| Posted: Apr 14, 2009 7:19am Post subject: Re: About the Delay time |
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| TurboIRC wrote: | | The Delay time is good. Weeds out the Straglers and weeds out them doing stuff they dont need to. Because there are always networks starting up wanting to be on searchirc then bam they shutdown or they dont make it long. The wait time is perfect. If it was different there would be twice as much for for the admins. |
I've also agreed that a delay is good, but 6 or more weeks is not. This is the part where the real admins suffer because of the fly-by-night admins. Why should someone honestly wanting to take advantage of SIRC wait for months to be indexed just because of someone else completely unrelated?
That's like me telling you that I won't sell a dedicated server to you because others only had it for 30days and I don't want you to do the same. It's just silly. I'd never have a successful business if I did that.
| PingBad wrote: | | Well, who amongst you would you nominate for the responsibility of handling the network approval process (including pending modifications to networks already in the indexes)? |
You for one, Invisible, nenolod, Trixar_za perhaps, Jobe, chaz .. geez .. take your pick .. really anyone that can be trusted to actually do the job truthfully and unbias.
| PingBad wrote: | | (it's to the same lines as to why a network would keep it's O:Line count to a minimum where practical) |
"Where practical" being the keyword there. Name 1 network that severely needs more staff to the point it's users are suffering that doesn't add opers. |
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Jason
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Joined: 03 May 2003
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| Posted: Apr 14, 2009 12:01pm Post subject: |
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How long does a new website get into google and get page ranking? :)
They have both staff and funding. |
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katsklaw
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| Posted: Apr 14, 2009 2:08pm Post subject: |
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| Jason wrote: | How long does a new website get into google and get page ranking? 
They have both staff and funding. |
They have hundreds of billions of sites to index. Your list is 53, absolutely no comparison at all. |
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webcoder
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| Posted: Apr 14, 2009 2:31pm Post subject: |
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| katsklaw wrote: | | Jason wrote: | How long does a new website get into google and get page ranking?
They have both staff and funding. |
They have hundreds of billions of sites to index. Your list is 53, absolutely no comparison at all. |
IMHO, i would have to agree |
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Trixar_za
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| Posted: Apr 14, 2009 3:13pm Post subject: |
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Actually getting yourself highly ranked on google isn't that hard.
Normally you just register with one or more of their services, like google ads and add a lot of meta tags with with all the descriptions in one word which your website is about. Also adding random words like "Nudity" or "Porn" seem to work wonders.
All these help get my website to the top spot in less than a week, so I wonder if that counts as a too long of a wait? |
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Jason
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| Posted: Apr 14, 2009 4:50pm Post subject: |
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| I'll redo the system when I get some time. |
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