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BernardoCR
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PostPosted: Sep 11, 2008 6:51am    Post subject: Problems with the user count on searchirc Reply with quote
Hello,

I'm one of the administrators of a Brazilian Network called VirtuaLife.

I'm actually blocking the /lusers command to my users, but on the ircd code I've allowed the searchirc indexer IP to perform the command.

The problem is that on my network profile the number of users doesn't appear, shows 0.

Can someone help me?

This is my /lusers command log:

:server 251 bernardo :There are 8 users and 999 invisible on 31 servers
:server 252 bernardo 19 :operator(s) online
:server 253 bernardo 2 :unknown connection(s)
:server 254 bernardo 581 :channels formed
:server 255 bernardo :I have 94 clients and 1 servers
:server 265 bernardo :Current Local Users: 94 Max: 198
:server 266 bernardo :Current Global Users: 1007 Max: 1790
:server 250 bernardo :N·mero de conex§es: 148 (147 cliente(s)) (4793 desde que o servidor foi (re)iniciado)


:server 266 bernardo :Current Global Users: 1007 Max: 1790

This would be the line that the indexer should be looking for, right?

Thanks,

Bernardo
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PostPosted: Sep 11, 2008 12:33pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm not sure which line Scrawl looks for but I would assume the global counts line too, also the channels line maybe.

Just for the record, I don't see any reason to block LUSERS but that's just me.
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PostPosted: Sep 11, 2008 3:34pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I bet it goes by /who , as I have reason to believe it doesn't count invisible users on my network.
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PostPosted: Sep 11, 2008 4:24pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jobe wrote:
I'm not sure which line Scrawl looks for but I would assume the global counts line too, also the channels line maybe.

Just for the record, I don't see any reason to block LUSERS but that's just me.
I'd also wager that scrawl also counts how many results are returned from /list, and allows maybe a few in either direction to account for channels disbanding/forming during the /list.
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PostPosted: Sep 11, 2008 4:43pm    Post subject: Re: Problems with the user count on searchirc Reply with quote
BernardoCR wrote:
This would be the line that the indexer should be looking for, right?

Thanks,

Bernardo


It might be able to use some of that information, but your network doesn't send it. So the robot sees none of it:

Code:
$ grep 251 VirtuaLife.com.br
INPUT: :Digital.virtualife.com.br 005 scrawl10 CODPAGE=utf8,iso8859-1,iso8859-5,iso8859-9,cp1251,cp1253,cp850,cp860,cp866 :são suportados neste servidor.
$ grep 252 VirtuaLife.com.br   
$ grep 253 VirtuaLife.com.br   
INPUT: :Digital.virtualife.com.br 005 scrawl10 CODPAGE=utf8,iso8859-1,iso8859-5,iso8859-9,cp1251,cp1253,cp850,cp860,cp866 :são suportados neste servidor.
$ grep 254 VirtuaLife.com.br   
$ grep 265 VirtuaLife.com.br


What I get is 001, 002, 003, 004, 005, 375, 372, 376, and that's about it.
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BernardoCR
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PostPosted: Sep 11, 2008 8:23pm    Post subject: Reply: Reply with quote
Thanks for your help Jason.

But I didn't understand what you meant.

What would be the solution to my case?

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What I get is 001, 002, 003, 004, 005, 375, 372, 376, and that's about it.


I didn't understand that. The robot receive information on the raws 001, 002 ...? Or the robot need to have access to those raws?

Besides the IRCops on the server, I allow whoever is connected on the IP 72.64.145.20 to have access to the /lusers command.

I'm really looking forward to solve that problem and have my network ranked on searchirc.

I'll try some other things that could be blocking the robot to check my users. For example, all foreign IP, except brazilian classes, get the mode +G, wich means gringos, so the +G user can't send messages or join a channel. That could be blocking the indexer.[/quote]
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PostPosted: Sep 11, 2008 8:26pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Since /lusers is an extremely harmless command, just let anyone use it .. there is absolutely NO sense in blocking people from using such harmless commands.

What's next? People blocking /names or the USER command??!!
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BernardoCR
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PostPosted: Sep 11, 2008 9:24pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have my points not to allow everyone to perform the /lusers command.

I don't know why do people keep on trying to say things about a particular setting on the networks.

If you use Chanserv, Nickserv, etc, in your network, I don't have nothing to do with it. If you use Q-services, I don't care either.

I just don't want to people from other brazilian networks to see how many users I have. As you should know, brazilian networks are famous to have a lot of packet-kidies trying to attack each other to be bigger than the others.

I don't want anyone from other smaller brazilian networks to be jelous about the size of my network.
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PostPosted: Sep 11, 2008 9:38pm    Post subject: Re: Reply: Reply with quote
BernardoCR wrote:
I didn't understand that. The robot receive information on the raws 001, 002 ...? Or the robot need to have access to those raws?


I was just mentioning what the robot sees. It's not getting the information you think it's getting. It's seeing a few basic numerics upon signing on, then motd and channel list. There's no network information provided.

The IP you listed is correct.
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BernardoCR
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PostPosted: Sep 11, 2008 10:34pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Last question,

Does it perform a /lusers or /users command?

Or does it try to get the information on the connect notices without performing none of the commands above?

Thanks,

Bernardo.
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Jason
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PostPosted: Sep 12, 2008 5:26am    Post subject: Reply with quote
off the top of my head, I don't think it issues either since irc servers usually push it upon connecting.
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PostPosted: Sep 12, 2008 7:11am    Post subject: Reply with quote
darkwarrior wrote:
I bet it goes by /who , as I have reason to believe it doesn't count invisible users on my network.


If that were the case, it would have said My network only has all of around 20 users, when it actually says the correct number instead. Plus, /who would be an incredibly inefficient way to get a user count anyway, especially when /lusers exists.
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PostPosted: Sep 12, 2008 1:56pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
BernardoCR wrote:
I have my points not to allow everyone to perform the /lusers command.

I don't know why do people keep on trying to say things about a particular setting on the networks.

If you use Chanserv, Nickserv, etc, in your network, I don't have nothing to do with it. If you use Q-services, I don't care either.

I just don't want to people from other brazilian networks to see how many users I have. As you should know, brazilian networks are famous to have a lot of packet-kidies trying to attack each other to be bigger than the others.

I don't want anyone from other smaller brazilian networks to be jelous about the size of my network.


I'm not arguing about the validity of your specific reason, my reply was much more general. There are tons of things on IRC now days that is completely pointless and does nothing constructive. You are not the only net that blocks /lusers.
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PostPosted: Oct 02, 2008 6:41pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Can't help you Bernado..can't even list my own network here.
Kinda sucks right?
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