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darkwarrior Lurker

Joined: 02 Aug 2008 Posts: 194
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Posted: Sep 11, 2008 12:07am Post subject: |
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| mage wrote: | This is not to say.. "An ircd for the lazy" but an ircd to an experienced admin which doesn't have much time in his/her daily schedule to live to maintain an ircd up and running.
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If the admin doesn't have time in their schedule to maintain an ircd/network, that would practically mean they have no time to manage a network, therefore they shouldn't be running one? I see this as the case on several networks. You rarely ever see the network founder/manager active. They're always idle, and I think that is a huge problem. |
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Sindacious none

Joined: 12 Jun 2008 Posts: 4 Location: Panama City, FL
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Posted: Sep 17, 2008 4:43am Post subject: |
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I'm not going to go into any specifics, but I personally like Nefarious/X3 over Anope/UnrealIRCd, main reason being is I don't really believe in people being 'over powered' on a network, and some people, specially some unreal/anope users, make themselves 'gods' on their network ( I hate os superadmin ). I like Nefarious/X3 because X3 is well, different then more popular services, for example, Anope, Atheme. I can't quite explain
As for the IRCd's, as I stated above, not liking opers having too much power over the users/channels, I like it when they have limited power, but can still 'enforce' if needed (Think of EFNet?). With unreal, it has things such as override, etc, where Nefarious doesn't have that (I don't think ), they have the power they need to enforce the network.
oh, and +qa prefixes ftl  |
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Casperrr none

Joined: 30 Apr 2008 Posts: 13 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Sep 17, 2008 7:56am Post subject: |
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| Sindacious wrote: | I'm not going to go into any specifics, but I personally like Nefarious/X3 over Anope/UnrealIRCd, main reason being is I don't really believe in people being 'over powered' on a network, and some people, specially some unreal/anope users, make themselves 'gods' on their network ( I hate os superadmin ). I like Nefarious/X3 because X3 is well, different then more popular services, for example, Anope, Atheme. I can't quite explain
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This more comes down to who is using that combo than the combo itself. If you and your staff have clear regulations about when to use this feature for that issue, everything's fine. We almost never use OperServ, except for /os status, which means there aren't any Gods around and almost everyone has a nice time on our network  |
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stephen4x none

Joined: 08 Sep 2008 Posts: 6 Location: st.helens, england
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Posted: Sep 17, 2008 9:47am Post subject: |
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| Agreed, this comes down once again to PEOPLE and not the software in question. If you must talk of abusing power etc..those people should never get an oline to start with (or probably wont keep it long!). Superadmin can be unset, and Unreal compiled without override. I think people get too hung up on the setup at times, and not the content / ethos / aims of the Network. As Sly said "all these things are toys..". Just wanted to shoehorn that in! |
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Sindacious none

Joined: 12 Jun 2008 Posts: 4 Location: Panama City, FL
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Posted: Sep 17, 2008 1:31pm Post subject: |
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| Casperrr wrote: | | Sindacious wrote: | I'm not going to go into any specifics, but I personally like Nefarious/X3 over Anope/UnrealIRCd, main reason being is I don't really believe in people being 'over powered' on a network, and some people, specially some unreal/anope users, make themselves 'gods' on their network ( I hate os superadmin ). I like Nefarious/X3 because X3 is well, different then more popular services, for example, Anope, Atheme. I can't quite explain
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This more comes down to who is using that combo than the combo itself. If you and your staff have clear regulations about when to use this feature for that issue, everything's fine. We almost never use OperServ, except for /os status, which means there aren't any Gods around and almost everyone has a nice time on our network  |
Later after my post I realized that people could have taken that in a way that I was saying everyone does, sorry about that, I didn't mean it in that way, and your right . |
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TechN9ne none

Joined: 06 Oct 2008 Posts: 19 Location: nerd
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Posted: Oct 09, 2008 4:27pm Post subject: Niether ircu or Unreal |
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| Charybdis+atheme ftw! |
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katsklaw Guru

Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 1614 Location: Somewhere you're not.
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Posted: Oct 09, 2008 4:42pm Post subject: |
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While most networks I visit use Unreal/Anope I personally prefer Nefarious/X3.
Nef/X3 offers FAR more power than Unreal/Anope. It's a bit rough at first and can be a bit difficult to grasp in the beginning because of it's dynamic abilities. However, X3 can do things that Anope can not, even with modules. Unreal grants more power to opers than Nef, however most of the power Nef lacks is not really needed anyway unless you are an un experienced oper. Anope just simply can't keep up with X3. So sorry, the truth hurts sometimes.
I've also found that with Nef and X3 combined that you have more refined control (not more generic control) over things IRC related. |
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TwinShadow none

Joined: 28 Sep 2008 Posts: 38 Location: Texas
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Posted: Oct 09, 2008 5:50pm Post subject: |
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Ahh... again with these. Eh, I'm not complaining or anything, but these topics are fun to read sometimes.
Unreal/Anope isn't.. too bad of a combo since one server I hang about on uses that combo, and while I can't say I prefer Unreal, it's not that bad of an IRCd. (I just hate the config file personally speaking, don't like how the stuff is situated in bind { } blocks)
I use InspIRCd/Anope for the server I run with a friend of mine. All networks have a specific need that they would like to achieve, and while some services won't work, some just might be better. I don't down on other IRCd's, mainly since I haven't/can't use(d) for various reasons.
Far as Nefarious/X3 goes, can't really say. I've only vaguely heard of it, and have yet to see a server use 'em. So, I honestly wouldn't be able to say anything about it.
Everyone has their needs, they should pick what they think is best for their network. If starting out, take about 2 weeks or so to test the different IRCd's and services before you set on specific setups. |
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