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RyanWenke Newbie

Joined: 27 Dec 2006 Posts: 59
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Posted: Jun 07, 2007 4:06pm Post subject: Weird email I got |
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Microsoft Corporation has received information that a host/domain name registered to/by your company is acting as an IRC server controlling a network of computers compromised with an unauthorized backdoor, commonly referred to as a 'botnet'. Botnets are often controlled in violation of criminal laws and commonly engage in distributed denial of service attacks or the distribution of malware without authorization.
Specifically, the following information details the botnet hosted on your network:
IRC Server Hostname: irc.chattingaway.com
Server Port Number: 6667
Channel Name: #bot39
We request that you investigate and take action subject to your Terms of Service. Since botnets typically connect to hostnames embedded in malware, you may consider redirecting the DNS entry for this hostname to an abuse site. Otherwise the person(s) controlling this botnet can simply redirect the DNS entry to another IP Address.
Yours sincerely,
Peter Anaman
Internet Investigator
on behalf of Microsoft Corporation
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052
United States of America
I got this in a email, and really suspect it's fake. I haven't checked the headers yet to see the incoming mail server and such, but it seems very farfetched. There has never been any such thing running on my network. We get the occasional bot or so, but they are taking care of right away. Even if it is real, maybe this Peter Anaman character should focus on locations that actually have a substantial amount of bots and such, rather than my 90 user network. |
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PingBad Post Whore

Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Posts: 3001 Location: New Zealand
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Posted: Jun 07, 2007 4:11pm Post subject: |
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| my advice: you can either ignore it until a real deal microsofty drops by your front door, or you could make the first move by contacting your local M$ office and confirming the email - its entirely your call, but I also suspect the validity of that email (I received one not too long ago similair in nature - it was pointing out the irc.* subdomain of my own personal domain, which was interesting... i dont have an irc subdomain, letalone a server/network to point it to) |
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FBI Guru

Joined: 19 Aug 2005 Posts: 1534 Location: Federation Of Bored IRC'ers
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Posted: Jun 07, 2007 7:42pm Post subject: Re: Weird email I got |
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| RyanWenke wrote: | Microsoft Corporation has received information that a host/domain name registered to/by your company is acting as an IRC server controlling a network of computers compromised with an unauthorized backdoor, commonly referred to as a 'botnet'. Botnets are often controlled in violation of criminal laws and commonly engage in distributed denial of service attacks or the distribution of malware without authorization.
Specifically, the following information details the botnet hosted on your network:
IRC Server Hostname: irc.chattingaway.com
Server Port Number: 6667
Channel Name: #bot39
We request that you investigate and take action subject to your Terms of Service. Since botnets typically connect to hostnames embedded in malware, you may consider redirecting the DNS entry for this hostname to an abuse site. Otherwise the person(s) controlling this botnet can simply redirect the DNS entry to another IP Address.
Yours sincerely,
Peter Anaman
Internet Investigator
on behalf of Microsoft Corporation
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052
United States of America
I got this in a email, and really suspect it's fake. I haven't checked the headers yet to see the incoming mail server and such, but it seems very farfetched. There has never been any such thing running on my network. We get the occasional bot or so, but they are taking care of right away. Even if it is real, maybe this Peter Anaman character should focus on locations that actually have a substantial amount of bots and such, rather than my 90 user network. |
Just to tell you that is the REAL mircosoft Anti-Malware team some stuff like that
I know this because I am on the irc security list
At least its nice to know that big companies like mircosoft is sending out emails and shutting down botnets
Another PS: They seem go against xdcc bots since those xdcc bots are infected without the users permission |
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intempo Newbie

Joined: 06 Feb 2007 Posts: 75
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Posted: Jun 08, 2007 2:37am Post subject: |
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| That's not from Microsoft. The spelling/and or grammer is terrible, I very much doubt it. |
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ircmojo Lurker

Joined: 02 Mar 2007 Posts: 215 Location: $HOME sweet $HOME
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Posted: Jun 08, 2007 9:33am Post subject: |
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Microsoft is a software vendor, not a law enforcement agency so
1. they have no business sending you that email even if it was real.
2 They can't do squat about it if you ignore them other than file legal actions in which unless they own the computers that are "infected" they have no legal grounds to do AND you would WANT them to file just for the fact that the action would be proof of authenticity.
3. if you DO ignore it and it WAS genuine, then the REAL law enforcement agencies that appy to that jurisdiction will contact you as well, because they know that Microsoft is NOT a law enforcement agency.
4. a Microsoft employee wouldn't contact you, their legal department would and would likely reference a case number.
5. Microsoft doesn't police IRC networks, nor botnets.
6. Even if they did they can't force you to change your DNS entries. It's not your DNS that is criminal, it's the infestation of the botnet nodes and redirecting you DNS won't fix that.
7. persons contolling botnets can not change your DNS entries without you giving them accesss or they hack the server. |
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FBI Guru

Joined: 19 Aug 2005 Posts: 1534 Location: Federation Of Bored IRC'ers
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Posted: Jun 08, 2007 2:08pm Post subject: |
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| ircmojo wrote: | Microsoft is a software vendor, not a law enforcement agency so
1. they have no business sending you that email even if it was real.
2 They can't do squat about it if you ignore them other than file legal actions in which unless they own the computers that are "infected" they have no legal grounds to do AND you would WANT them to file just for the fact that the action would be proof of authenticity.
3. if you DO ignore it and it WAS genuine, then the REAL law enforcement agencies that appy to that jurisdiction will contact you as well, because they know that Microsoft is NOT a law enforcement agency.
4. a Microsoft employee wouldn't contact you, their legal department would and would likely reference a case number.
5. Microsoft doesn't police IRC networks, nor botnets.
6. Even if they did they can't force you to change your DNS entries. It's not your DNS that is criminal, it's the infestation of the botnet nodes and redirecting you DNS won't fix that.
7. persons contolling botnets can not change your DNS entries without you giving them accesss or they hack the server. |
It doesn't matter at least you see a multi-billion dollar company doing something about these huge ddos botnets lying around a bunch of private or public irc network..
They aren't forcing you just telling you
They won't sue they just tell you nothing else and if you have Mircosoft Anti-Virus OneCare its probaly gonna be updated to remove the nasty viruses etc
90% of the worlds computers are using windows and its there fault for making it insecure so I geuss right now they are taking action to address that problem and hopfully lower the amount of botnets in the internet |
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mentor Newbie

Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Posts: 91 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Jun 16, 2007 10:46pm Post subject: |
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It doesn't matter at least you see a multi-billion dollar company doing something about these huge ddos botnets lying around a bunch of private or public irc network..
They aren't forcing you just telling you
They won't sue they just tell you nothing else and if you have Mircosoft Anti-Virus OneCare its probaly gonna be updated to remove the nasty viruses etc
90% of the worlds computers are using windows and its there fault for making it insecure so I geuss right now they are taking action to address that problem and hopfully lower the amount of botnets in the internet |
They aren't doing anything. Obviously they haven't fully researched the source of the problem, as sites/networks are wrongly getting these letters.
And, while I might not be a big Windows fan, it is not Microsoft's fault. It's the people who are using it. I'd venture to say that 90% of zombie computers are in direct result of those who are using them. Downloading from untrusted sources, not properly configuring gateways/routers, etc. Perhaps if people actually stopped to learn a little about the products they are using, then it might just be a little more secure. |
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Jobe Eleet

Joined: 30 Jul 2006 Posts: 526 Location: Lurking in the shadows of some random channel!
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Posted: Jun 17, 2007 4:35am Post subject: |
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| mentor wrote: | | Perhaps if people actually stopped to learn a little about the products they are using, then it might just be a little more secure. |
Thats half the problem with the worlds population of viruses and trojans, people want things that just work without having to learn things to use them |
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intempo Newbie

Joined: 06 Feb 2007 Posts: 75
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Posted: Jun 17, 2007 8:24am Post subject: |
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FBI: You just talk utter s****
Do we need backseat 'know it alls' ?
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Jobe Eleet

Joined: 30 Jul 2006 Posts: 526 Location: Lurking in the shadows of some random channel!
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Posted: Jun 17, 2007 9:16am Post subject: |
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| intempo wrote: | FBI: You just talk utter s****
Do we need backseat 'know it alls' ?
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Says he/she who criticises others for his/her own type of behaviour... |
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Asmo none

Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 28
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Posted: Jun 18, 2007 2:30am Post subject: |
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This is indeed valid. I've received a similar email. They claimed I had a botnet running on a domain that looks very similar ot irc-junkie.org, but obviously isnt. 1) I dont run a network, 2) anyone that knows my site knows I'm all about safe computing and am very, VERY against the use of DDoS and other similar activities.
Replied back to them with their error, and they guy apologised and said he'll update their database reflecting this... |
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FBI Guru

Joined: 19 Aug 2005 Posts: 1534 Location: Federation Of Bored IRC'ers
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Posted: Jun 18, 2007 3:45pm Post subject: |
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| intempo wrote: | FBI: You just talk utter s****
Do we need backseat 'know it alls' ?
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Yes I do know it all so it doesn't give you a reason to curse at me.
| Asmo wrote: | This is indeed valid. I've received a similar email. They claimed I had a botnet running on a domain that looks very similar ot irc-junkie.org, but obviously isnt. 1) I dont run a network, 2) anyone that knows my site knows I'm all about safe computing and am very, VERY against the use of DDoS and other similar activities.
Replied back to them with their error, and they guy apologised and said he'll update their database reflecting this... |
I wish I could work there.... |
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mjgreen none

Joined: 23 Mar 2008 Posts: 2
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Posted: Oct 29, 2009 8:22am Post subject: |
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Guys,
This is indeed genuine. And it IS MS Legal.
They're not saying you have an infected host, rather that one or more infected host is connecting or attempting to connect to your network on the dns address above. They're targeting the main control channel, rather than the hosts themselves - take out the control channel and disrupt the network, since often the botnet herder has no other way of controlling the bots.
You're receiving the email as the administrator of the network to kill the channel and/or hosts from your network. And the reason they're sending is it's likely a windows host that's compromised.
Bit nicer than the alternatives - asking your ISP to shut you down, or adding your domain/address to the various malware blocklists. |
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Willaim Idler

Joined: 27 Jun 2003 Posts: 323 Location: IRC
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Posted: Oct 29, 2009 9:36am Post subject: |
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If it was me, I'd shut down that channel maybe? Unless it's a legitimate channel.
That email didn't really contain spelling errors that I saw, so the second poster is incorrect.
I don't understand what they meant by the DNS. If one botnet's connecting to my network, I'm gonna re-direct my domain name to an abuse site?!
Someone needs to do their research a little more at Microsoft HQ.
(If this is indeed genuine.) |
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Jobe Eleet

Joined: 30 Jul 2006 Posts: 526 Location: Lurking in the shadows of some random channel!
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Posted: Oct 30, 2009 9:32am Post subject: |
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| mjgreen, Willaim, this thread is over 2 years old, 2007, I'm pretty certain the issue has been resolved by now and is no longer relevant. |
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