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FBI
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Joined: 19 Aug 2005
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Location: Federation Of Bored IRC'ers
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| Aven wrote: | | dizot wrote: |
Like I said testlink dont applic me to email or anything... Its a TEST
and too, u was running SRVX with the ?clone commands, dont try to hide, anyway I wont lost my time with fight w/u, I have something better to ddo  |
Ohh, I see the problem now, you're new to IRC.
They're not ?clone commands (whatever that means) they are commands to the basic ChanServ service, commands work because chanserv is in the channel, this is an option in the services package which is srvx.
If testlinks don't apply to you to email or anything, then you don't deserve a testlink if you're just going to take off. Also, lots of IRCds try re-connecting to your server when delinked. It would suck ass for a server-admin to come back to his screen and see floods of notices of the hub trying to reconnect to your server because you just took off because you somehow didn't like the network. |
Thats just too funny....lmao |
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dizot
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| Posted: Jul 08, 2006 3:03pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Aven"] | dizot wrote: |
A testlink is a network thing, they use the testlink to check whether you and your server is good enough to stay on the network, not whether you like the network or not because you should've made that decision before testlinking in the first place.. |
NOTE: New Network = New at all, No-One may know how the staff work or whatever, cauz their are hidding that to user, so the only way to see that are linking, and look around... Like box administrator I pay for the uplink like I pay for the box maitening, I think it my right to drop a link if I dont want to evolued in this part of network anymore....
On that ALL what u may said will be redirected to /dev/null, good day $#$@!@#  |
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katsklaw
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Joined: 28 Jun 2004
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Location: Somewhere you're not.
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| Posted: Jul 08, 2006 3:27pm Post subject: |
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| Aven wrote: |
A testlink is a network thing, they use the testlink to check whether you and your server is good enough to stay on the network, not whether you like the network or not because you should've made that decision before testlinking in the first place. |
No true at all ... the new admin gets to evaluate the network as well. A link is an AGREEMENT between the network and the new admin. The new admin has just as much right to cancel the link status as the network does.
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So, either learn the proper linking rules, or don't link at all because I don't know many networks that apprectiate that kind of behaviour. |
Perhaps you can be so kind as to tell us all what RFC or officially recongnized resource contains the "proper linking rules". |
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]Daniel
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Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Posts: 319
Location: Boise, ID
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| Posted: Jul 08, 2006 3:36pm Post subject: |
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Alright, just reading this makes me sick to my stomach. According to the major networks out there, A "test link" is actually a link for a server owner to prove his server is stable enough and capable of holding and performing the basic network features. Reasons EFnet and such networks have them is due to making sure the servers can hold the massive net join burst, which ranges in the serious megs, almost gigs, if not more. Now I expect a test link on our part to be the same way, as in making sure your server is stable before adding it into the round robin. Now seriously, if you think there was ever services clones on my network, you have gotta be mistaking, Aven has been on my network since the 2nd day it started, which is why he is the main admin for it. marc has been around for about sometime too. Hell go into the channel and ask someone, anyone whos come to the network has noticed there hasnt been any clone bots. Look at our /lusers for example...
««ñötîÇË»»There are 0 users and 21 invisible on 7 servers
««ñötîÇË»»9 operator(s) online
««ñötîÇË»»8 channels formed
««ñötîÇË»»I have 1 clients and 3 servers
««ñötîÇË»»Current local users: 1 Max: 2
««ñötîÇË»»Current global users: 21 Max: 26
Look, only a max of 26...When we had Charybdis, I think the max was around 30. nenolod was an ircop around when you was here, maybe he would be nice enough to verify this. But just because you decided to be a jerk and bail like you did. Still does not give you the right to bash my network, and make rumors against it.
Sure, Ill go for the fact that a test link is to make sure the server owner likes where he is, but maybe it is true that people should chat and idle for awhile on that so network, to make sure they like it BEFORE they offer.
Btw... http://www.dictionary.com is your friend, cause im still having trouble figuring out what the hell your saying.
Anyway, Im sure nobody is gonna want a server admin who cant make up his mind what hes doing with his servers. Some networks put people on their round robin right away. Sure its not the smartest thing to do, but some do it. It's still unfair for jerk's who can't be mature on IRC to screw other networks with potential over.
I believe ever network when they first start has some potential of being successful, its just the decisions they make afterwards that messed it all up.
Ok, Rant #2 is over. |
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marc
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
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| Posted: Jul 08, 2006 3:41pm Post subject: |
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| dizot - snorting that crack is making you stooooooooooopid. |
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Ty
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| Posted: Jul 08, 2006 3:45pm Post subject: |
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| katsklaw wrote: | | Aven wrote: |
A testlink is a network thing, they use the testlink to check whether you and your server is good enough to stay on the network, not whether you like the network or not because you should've made that decision before testlinking in the first place. |
No true at all ... the new admin gets to evaluate the network as well. A link is an AGREEMENT between the network and the new admin. The new admin has just as much right to cancel the link status as the network does.
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That should generally be done *before* you offer to link a server. If you link and decide the network isn't for you, being mature, explaining your position, and notifying existing admins of the delink would be advisable. |
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katsklaw
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| Posted: Jul 08, 2006 3:59pm Post subject: |
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| ]Daniel wrote: |
Sure, Ill go for the fact that a test link is to make sure the server owner likes where he is, but maybe it is true that people should chat and idle for awhile on that so network, to make sure they like it BEFORE they offer.
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The problem here is IRCops have alot more access to information that happens on the network than users do. It's been said for years, in fact longer than 98% of the networks in existance, that it's a completely different environment between users and opers. You can be apart of a network as a user for more than a decade and not know a fraction of what happens on the oper side. The only way in existance to know how IRCOps are going to interact is to actually let them interact.
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That should generally be done *before* you offer to link a server.
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It's not possible to tell how someone is going to react unless you place them in a situation where they are allowed to do so. You can't tell if a network is right for you .. nor can you tell if a server admin is right for your network until you actually try it ..
Users do NOT get to see what IRCops get to see ... ever ... the only true way to tell if you would like to oper on a specific network is to BE an IRCop on that network!!
There is a old saying that goes "The only way to truely know someone is to live with them" ..This is VERY true on IRC.
Bailing without warning is a crappy way to go from either side, network or server admin.. and I'm not arguing that point. However, I REFUSE to believe that server admins don't have the option to bail if they find that after they link that the people they THOUGHT they knew were not the people they want to know .. I also REFUSE to accept that a server admin can possibly get into any type of serious relationship with ANY network without actually linking to it. |
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cybernode
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| Posted: Jul 08, 2006 4:06pm Post subject: |
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Ill agree with katsklaw for the most part, i have been on IRC for a few years... not going to go into the amount, anyhow, ive also been apart of a couple diffrent networks... untill recently starting my own...
One problem with people linking / offering their servers i have run into is, even if its a trial run for "X" amount of time, the damage that this server / its staff can have on the overall users... im not saying all are like this, i have just seen networks split after one or two shells link up.
It also rattles my nerves when people log into your network and say " Hi we want to link you, but we want you to change your name and use our services"... i mean how many of you would be offended if i logged into your net approached you and said... hey lets merge but your taking my name and using my services, im god and your scum under my shoe?
Just my thoughts tho....
PS . in the 1960's people took acid to make the world weird, today the world is weird and people take prozzak to make it normal :S |
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]Daniel
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| Posted: Jul 08, 2006 4:23pm Post subject: |
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| Ok, most people who say they've been on a IRC a few years, doesnt mean that long. Ive been on IRC since 1998. I've been working with IRC Daemons since 2001. Ive got experience on this, Ive linked to a handful of networks, Im already on my 2nd irc network. kat, your post had nothing to do with this because 1) dizot is making stuff up, he knows damn well we didnt run clones, 2) He was never around long enough to get to know us, and 3) We showed nothing bad in the 2 days he was there. All he is trying to do right now is make himself not look so bad for the jerk he's been. You know what, maybe if he apologized for his ignorance and trying to spread rumors about my network I would let this go, but the fact that he had to go so low enough to actually start making false claims, I will continue to argue my point until he realized what he did was not fair or right to do. dizot has a poor attitude, he could not stand on an irc network with more than 5,000 users and 20 admins, such as a few of the ones Ive opered on. He needs to stand down, and stop making his rumors. They dont help. |
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katsklaw
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| Posted: Jul 08, 2006 4:36pm Post subject: |
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1> I've been an server admin longer than you have been on IRC ]Daniel ... I've linked to more than a few networks. I've opered on some of the largest networks in the world. I've helped create a few networks that currently have more than 2000 users and/or are still in existance after 10 years. So I know a few things too.
2> I didn't say a damned thing about you and dizot's clone issue now did I?
3> I stated in my last post that ditching without notice was bad.
4> I also stated that a server admin has just as much right as a network does to terminate a link.
All the statements I have made were directed at people talking about test links ... not users spreading rumors. Notice I ONLY quoted the parts I was replying to, nothing more... Sorry you don't understand this.
ciao |
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cybernode
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| Posted: Jul 08, 2006 4:41pm Post subject: |
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as for when i say awhile, ive been using IRC for about 8-9 years give or take a few months...
prior to that i ran a local BBS system, from my basement (i miss good old BBS's)....
Now adays, i run a very small hosting company. sit on IRC work my day job and what not and just go abouts my thing... |
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]Daniel
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| Posted: Jul 08, 2006 4:53pm Post subject: |
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| *sighs* Taking the fact that Im only 20, I cant help the fact that I aint a grandfather of IRC. Anyway, I said what I needed to say so far, you guys are just argueing this because you have nothing better to do. Oh well, thats IRC and SearchIRC for you. |
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PingBad
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| Posted: Jul 08, 2006 5:04pm Post subject: |
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| dizot wrote: | | NEW? shud up man, You sould know Auto-reconnecting work with the auth block and the class u define in the connect block Depend which ircd u using, and Generally auto-reconnect are Left to Hub, not hub to left... U sould maybe learn abit the example.conf before post stupidity (true with unreal ircd you cant learn that) |
Actually, it is poor management to have your hub (which, in peak conditions, would be handling the bulk of your network's inter-server traffic, depending where in the tree the hub is placed) auto-connect to your leaf servers. It is usually more efficient to have your leaf servers autoconnect to the hub. That way if the leaf does go down, the hub wont spend cycles trying to connect to a dead server |
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]Daniel
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| Posted: Jul 08, 2006 5:59pm Post subject: |
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| I agree Pingbad, thats how my network is setup. |
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