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katsklaw
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| FuRiOuS wrote: | | UtopiaMediaIRC has a training network that is up and fully functional. However, because it is also used as our own in house training network it uses Unreal 3.2.3 and Anope 1.7.13 as well as NeoStats 2.5.21. I understand that this is not the most popular choice with everybody but this is what our network uses, so that's what the training network has. |
Actually this is the most popular setup as far as ircd/services/stats. |
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FuRiOuS
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While that may be I have seen a lot of people bash Unreal, and that's fine everybody is entitled to use what they like best on their own nets. It has worked just fine and great for us, it would be great to offer different IRCd's later on but at this point it's not possible.  |
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nenolod
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| Posted: Apr 04, 2006 8:46am Post subject: |
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Goodluck, but please keep in mind that every documented project of this nature to date has failed.
That noted, good luck to you. 
- nenolod |
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PingBad
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Joined: 05 Feb 2005
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Location: New Zealand
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| Posted: Apr 04, 2006 9:56am Post subject: |
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| nenolod wrote: | Goodluck, but please keep in mind that every documented project of this nature to date has failed.
That noted, good luck to you.
- nenolod |
Mainly due to time and timezone reasons... you had people popping in at any time from different countries, and at different experience levels (from the total n00b to the experienced-it-all oper). Therefore, one had to be more or less present or at least have some staff there ready to train peeps the second they show up. I couldn't maintain that, so I stepped down and handed control of the project to a good friend who in turn also ran into time-related problems and disbanded the project entirely.
I still help people with any IRCop-related questions, but not on a IRC network (I usually use my own forums for this, it saves covering the same material more than once, and when I get the same question (or variations), I can just point people to the forum article covering it).
In my opinoin, its the only way such a project could be successful. |
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FuRiOuS
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| Posted: Apr 04, 2006 10:21am Post subject: |
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| This project isn't dedicated totally to training other opers at all. This is how we train our own ops, so I figured that I would offer it to other net admins as well. Personally while I prefer to do in house training, I don't like the idea of turning a new oper lose on the net with a bunch of new powers, I prefer them to test the waters out in a safer environment where a small mistake won't effect hundreds or thousands of users. |
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PingBad
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| Posted: Apr 04, 2006 4:25pm Post subject: |
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| I also ran a seperate server specifically for the training, but since I didn't own an IRC network (and still don't) I couldn't exactly tell the graduates that they could oper for a net I was a staff member of. However, thanks to the contacts I had on other nets (in high places), I was able to at least negotiate positions for the graduates so after the training they could become staff and at least enjoy the serious side of IRC without being flamed for being a power tripper or something |
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W-Unit
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Joined: 29 Jul 2004
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Ah. Shame it's not going any longer. It was an excellent idea to help bridge the gap.
The only way I got started opering was because one of my close-ish friends that I knew irl started a network. If it hadn't been for that to put on my resume, I would have kept getting the "You don't have any experience as an oper so we don't want you" that I got from everybody else, even though I really did know what I was doing and had read the docs completely through several times on Unreal and a few other common IRCds.
Something like this would hopefully bridge that gap that only got bridged for me due to luck. It's hard nowadays to start being an oper.
Due to the reasons PingBad gave for shutting his project down, I wouldn't be willing to run this myself, but if anybody decides to start it back up again, I'd be glad to help out in any way. |
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FBI
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Joined: 19 Aug 2005
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Location: Federation Of Bored IRC'ers
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| Posted: Apr 22, 2006 6:24pm Post subject: |
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Note he only shut down the ircd server....Not the domain  |
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PingBad
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| W-Unit wrote: | | ...even though I really did know what I was doing and had read the docs completely through several times on Unreal and a few other common IRCds... |
Knowing about the commands is one thing, knowing how to configure an IRCd is something else again... knowing how to use the commands in a responsible manner - that's a whole new animal |
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FuRiOuS
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| Posted: Apr 25, 2006 10:08am Post subject: |
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| PingBad wrote: | | Knowing about the commands is one thing, knowing how to configure an IRCd is something else again... knowing how to use the commands in a responsible manner - that's a whole new animal |
Exactly why I spend a lot of time in the training net before ever turning loose a new oper on my network. Many people are also just in it for power, but by having to jump through a few hoops to get an o:line tends to discourage the lazy power hungry people. No it's not fool proof but it does help a bit. |
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