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Varter
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PostPosted: Jul 04, 2005 5:47pm    Post subject: Listing of networks without services? Reply with quote

Hello to the generous people of searchirc.com!

I am a rare-case individual who prefers to hang out on IRC networks without any services. This means no NickServ, ChanServ, HostServ, MemoServ, OperServ, etc. Although I am partial to Undernet's X bot and AfterNET's X2 and X3. This exception comes from the fact that on these networks, channel services are possible without being prisoner to a nickname.

Can we all sit down at this searchirc.com table and cook up a raw listing of all networks without services? Networks such as Undernet and AfterNET with the alternative channel services are acceptable, as long as none of the -Serv bots are involved. I'll get the ball rolling.

Undernet
Quakenet
EFnet
AfterNET

...add more that you know please!
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PostPosted: Jul 04, 2005 6:36pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm confused at your definition of "no services".

What makes ChanServ a service, but not X?
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PostPosted: Jul 04, 2005 7:13pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry! I thought I made myself quite clear but allow me to elucidate.

With this forum's help, I'd like to compose a list of IRC networks without services. By "no services," I mean the network does not contain the -Serv bots or any other irc services. For example and most importantly, no nickname registration. I never said X is not a service, rather, it is an exception to services such as Anope with all of the 'Servs. If a network contains X and only X, I will allow as such on this list.

However, my primary concern here is to make a list of IRC networks without nickname, channel, or other miscellaneous services provided on default by the network and/or its software. A perfect example is EFnet, where virtually anything goes. If you don't quite understand the details regarding X, just follow that rule.

I also remembered, I think Linknet is a service-free network, so add that one to the list.

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Jul 06, 2005 10:57am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Varter wrote:

However, my primary concern here is to make a list of IRC networks without nickname, channel, or other miscellaneous services provided on default by the network and/or its software. A perfect example is EFnet, where virtually anything goes. If you don't quite understand the details regarding X, just follow that rule.


EFnet has OpenChanfix, and by some definition could be considered "irc services". Granted, it's not channel registration in the common definition, but it is a way of channel control, which is all ChanServ does. So EFnet isn't a free for all, anything goes net either.

I doubt that there are any nets that don't have some form of channel control, either through ChanServ, X like bots and/or Chanfix based control.

There are a few technical differences between X and ChanServ, however they both indeed do the same basic function. You must auth/identify to access channel mainanence commands. X trades the word "identify" for "auth" sure enough but NickServ can be programmed to not enforce nick registration thus being just like X in that fashion.

There is actually little difference between X and *Serv's. they have more in common than they have in difference by far. What difference there is in user record handling, not channel handling. Meaning, that with X your auth username doesn't have to be your nick leaving it so anyone can use your nick. X is designed ito be in channel and ChanServ isn't (BotServ can fill that gap). Everything else is basiclly the same.
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PostPosted: Jul 06, 2005 5:38pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about NeoStats, or BOPM? They call themselves "services", (or at least, NeoStats does)....... but I assume you're not going to count them as 'services'?

I can understand how someone could desire a nickserv-less, heck, even if they really pushed it, a chanserv-less network. However, I can't understand why ANYONE would want a opm-less network, and it's a service.

Maybe you should go for "minimal services"? Or "networks with no nick/channel ownership?"........ in any case, I doubt you'll find many. Services are definately in the majority. Have you considered that for all your personal taste, there may be good reasoning behind this?

-Ashen
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PostPosted: Jul 09, 2005 1:00pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guys, I'm sorry but I did not post to spark a debate on the various interpretations of "irc services." I apologize for not being specific enough, because obviously more explanation is needed.

Yes, I have considered that the majority of IRC networks have channel/nickname services. This is precisely the reason I have come to this forum: to gather help and create a list of the ones without services. I don't need to make a list of the ones with services because they're all around us. If I take a shot in the dark, chances are good that that network will have services. By asking for help here, I can make a resource for people like me who prefer networks without so many services. It matters not what is the majority, or what the reasoning is behind services. What matters is that we're trying to collect useful information that applies to a crowd, albeit a small one. Make sense? Cool! Wink

If it helps, then we'll go with "minimal services." This will be aimed at networks without the aid of channel or nickname services. Think EFnet, Linknet, etc.

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Jul 09, 2005 3:56pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does this mean you still discount X as a service? Or does X now count?
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PostPosted: Jul 10, 2005 6:20am    Post subject: Reply with quote

X is acceptable, however, only as an exception to the rules above.
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PostPosted: Jul 10, 2005 6:26am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found another!

MiscNET
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PostPosted: Jul 10, 2005 8:40am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got Quakenet services at irc.4rie.info Surprised
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PostPosted: Jul 15, 2005 11:42am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Varter wrote:
Found another!

MiscNET



dot what? .com .net .org doesnt work heh
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PostPosted: Jul 15, 2005 12:46pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just use the search: http://searchirc.com/network/MiscNET
Dot org as I see Smile
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PostPosted: Jul 16, 2005 2:54pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it should be .org, however the website appears down. MiscNET is run by a few friends of mine, and I happen to share their views on IRC services and am looking for networks with similar ideas.
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PostPosted: Jul 16, 2005 6:50pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GameSurge develops and uses srvx, of which AfterNET's X3 is a fork (which is really the most I can say about it, not having anything nice to write of the X3 developers). There are channel services, but authentication is not tied to nicks.
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PostPosted: Jun 03, 2006 11:01am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OflooIRC uses services that Ofloo coded himself in TCL. Not as complex or feature rich as anope, but it has the basics.

Ofloo is like...THE master of TCL Razz

Oh, and before anyone comments, I know this topic is old, but I still feel it is interesting Smile
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