UnrealIRCD -- what's the attraction?

vilerage · none Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 6

I'm just curious, and I'm sure this has been brought up before, but what is the big attraction with unrealircd? Is it one of those servers that doesen't require any real intelligence to set up? (I don't mean any offense, heck, that's one of the attractions with windows, too and I use windows ;] ) Are there some sort of security features that are unavailable with other ircd's? I know it's not stability, because both my bahamut servers and my Hybrid servers have gotten over 200 day uptimes with 1200 - 2500 users. Altho I did despise bahamut for lack of features ;]. Just curious and all ;]

Cobi · Lurker Joined: 30 Dec 2003 Posts: 120 Location: IRC

umm... you need to add "All of the above, except 'I don't run unreal'" Very Happy

Om · none Joined: 30 Oct 2004 Posts: 24

When I do use Unreal, it's simply because it's what I'm used to.

InspIRCd rocks ;D

PingBad · Posted: Mar 21, 2005 8:40pm Post subject:

The reason I use UnrealIRCd (and recommend it to others)?

how

Its is these things that make UnrealIRCd so attractive to me. codemastr and the other coders of this IRCd have done well making one of the most flexible IRCds out there.

~PingBad

GeniusDex · Lurker Joined: 16 Aug 2003 Posts: 150

PingBad's reasons:

Ease of setup (once you actually read how to set it up)
There are other IRCd's which are easier to setup once you've read how to as well. I'd say Bahamut is a lot easier. It has less option, for one.

Stability
I wouldn't say it's much more stable than other good IRCd's around there. Nearly any decent IRCd is stable enough to run.

Compatibility with Services and Stats daemons
I've only rarely seen services and stats packages only supporting unreal. Most of the time there are also other choices (most often bahamut, perhaps ultimate or hybrid, and some have 15 of 'm Wink

).

Support
Perhaps..... The only experiences i have with it is someone asking questions about unreal in the anope room because they got kicked out of the unreal room. Understandable, usually, but it somehow still doesn't do much good for me.

Anyways, that leaves 3 out of 4 not really remarkable, and the 4th one debatable. It's hard to find real good reasons to like one IRCd more than the rest.

PingBad · Posted: Mar 29, 2005 5:17am Post subject:

Fireman1061 · Newbie Joined: 09 Dec 2003 Posts: 58 Location: In Hell

The Reason why I use unreal ircd?
That’s a good question; in fact sometimes I wonder why I use it myself.
I guess it’s due to the fact, I like to play with all the different modifications that can be applied to unrealircd, and the ability to have remote includes, the ability to setup and configure unreal at a drop of a hat.
There are all kinds of ircd's out there, not every Ircd is right for each network, so take the time and test multiple different types of Ircd’s before choosing which one your network or server's is going to use.

Sincerly
Fireman1061

GeniusDex · Lurker Joined: 16 Aug 2003 Posts: 150

Robert-E-Lee · Idler Joined: 22 Nov 2004 Posts: 314 Location: IRC

well, basically? while a network remains small, i find a greater degree of control, and similar things can be neccessary, smaller networks make more attractive targets for scriptkiddies, they're easier for them to bring down.
unreal does provide more configuration options than other ircds, which means that its easier to tailor everything to your exact needs, which, is essentially what smaller networks need. that's why it's so popular, most irc networks out there are small, there's only ever a few that hit the 'bigtime', and by the time they get there, they don't need to have such a degree of control over things, as they're wider spread, more difficult to attack, and have a far greater staffing and support level than the smaller networks. unreal makes it easier for a smaller staff to run the network, hence it's popularity.
it's equally suitable for large networks, don't get me wrong there, but the larger networks have been around longer, so they use what they're more used to anyway. it's not really a 'n00b' ircd as some people maintain, infact, configuring unreal 'properly' making use of all the various options it includes, is something that from what i've seen, is beyond an awful lot of people who do run it, but it IS easy to setup, if you're capable of using your brain, another thing is that it does offer a dedicated windows version, without dependence on cygwin ( slowness, laggy much?) which is enticing for those who have decentish home lines, but can't afford to go buying a shell and webspace at the same time. it provides to a wider market, due to it's marketing to do so. bahamut isn't marketed as being exceptionally user friendly, unreal is.
that's some of the reasons for it's popularity.
initially, i used unreal because i was one of the people who couldn't afford a shell, i tried various other windows ircds as well, but found from that that i preffered unreal to the other windows options. being realistic, i marginally prefer ultimate, but, i try to include people in my net, and some of my servers are home run, so i remain running unreal, and i'm stillhappy with it's performance.
*shrug*

EqualSlashed_Brian · Lurker Joined: 29 Aug 2004 Posts: 221 Location: IRC

I personally use UnrealIRCd because my users like it's features.

GreyMouser · Newbie Joined: 04 Dec 2004 Posts: 74

Willaim · Idler Joined: 27 Jun 2003 Posts: 321 Location: IRC

I'm the original one that said "It's easy enough to setup that I don't have to know how to properly Admin a system to do it." .. now I see someone else voted for it too =(

Robert-E-Lee · Idler Joined: 22 Nov 2004 Posts: 314 Location: IRC

well, i'm aware that bahamut is custom designed for dalnet, but it IS made publically available, it wouldn't hurt them to optimize it for other systems too, in fact it'd probably benefit them some, as i've seen people unfairly biased against it merely because it doesn't do that, when it is a reasonable ircd.
but, it's not like comparing a honda to a dragster they're both ircds, they're both in use by the public, on a variety of systems, they're both used by the experienced and the less experienced, and they both serve exactly the same purpose.
and yes, the latest incarnations of bahamut ircd are equally as easy as unrealircd to config, having taken on a similar config structure, and a lot of the 'easiness' in bahamuts config is, because it has less in it than unreal.
stability wise..yes, unreal hasn't really been tested on the same scale as bahamut, for somewhat obvious reasons, people aren't particularly amenable to change, large networks WILL stick with what they're used to, and building a network to the same sort of scale as dalnet reached, takes time, give it some time for unreal networks to get to that sorta scale, and perhaps we'll get the chance to see. i myself haven't encountered any stability issues in unrealircd itself, i've had shitty hosters with unreliable connections, i've had hosters ddosed by rival hosting companies, i've had my network, and previous networks i've been involved in ddosed, but i've never yet encountered a problem with the stability of the ircd itself. that said, my experiments with other ircd's have been similar, the ircds themselves seem to be pretty stable.
*shrug*

Dr-Voodo · Eleet Joined: 07 Nov 2003 Posts: 535 Location: IRC

Whether people use Unreal, Bahamut, Ultimate or any other IRCd its still a personal choice.

Personally I have used all 3 of them, Unreal , Bahamut and UltimateIRCd and I like them all, but so far I find Unreal better and that is just a personal opinion.

The reason for people using Unreal may be various reasons, whether they like it or they want to test it or do some custom changes to it, but one of the reasons might be that Unreal is so populair.

SATAN-HHH · Eleet Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 942 Location: Texas

I started out with and ran Unreal for the longest of time simply because it was a bit easier to setup and maintain than some of the others. It was the first ircd I ever setup and ran. Since, I have tried Bahamut, Ultimate, and a few others. Maybe I'm just a control freak, but there's a bit too many features that are abuseable (and yes, I know about having staff that have a professional decorum) for me with Unreal. I lean more towards Bahamut, personally.